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You know who I haven't heard of in a while? Edward Snowden. I hope he does well. (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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[–] 233 points 6 months ago (13 children)

I do understand why the state wants to prosecute him, but I also think the public deserved to know what Snowden revealed. It's definitely the kind of thing the pardon power was created for, not for drug lords to bribe their way back into freedom.

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  • [–] 91 points 6 months ago

    I do understand why the state wants to prosecute him

    Because he exposed the state for being a massively illegal and corrupt pile of shit directly perpetrating crimes against not just the American public, but the world at large?

    Like yeah, I understand why cartels kill informants, that doesn't make them justified in doing so.

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  • [–] 39 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    The american public are just overworked sheep… the proof they did not deserve this info, is in that they got it and literally did nothing about it.

    To this day poeple won't stop using Meta and Twitter and there are 29 extra reasons to never touch those platforms again

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    ugh my wife wanted to show me something and it was on x. im like why aren't you using xcancel like we have discussed before. how do I do that. like I said before just add cancel after x. Im sure down the line she is going to show me something from x. sigh.

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  • [+] -13 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    They literally sued the U.S. government and shut down the only program that was collecting Americans' data. https://www.cohenandwolf.com/publication-nsa-phone-metada

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    and this is why the gov doesn't spy on its ciizens anymore and everyone lived happily ever after… my sweet summer child

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    I'm responding to the claim that Americans did nothing. It might be the case that there is illegal government surveillance going on today, but there is no evidence for that in any leaks, particularly not Snowden's. If there is illegal government surveillance that we learn about later, the takeaway from the Snowden saga is that Americans will take action to shut it down.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    might be the case

    Everybody knows the U.S. is a massive surveillance state still. They literally have renewed FISA every year. And I know, it's supposed to be for foreign spying. But you'd have to be a naive child to think they abide by the law.

    Nevermind all the spying Meta, Google, and windows do. And the government just buys up that data on people as if it were candy in a gas station.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    But you'd have to be a naive child to think they abide by the law.

    If they didn't abide by the law, surely there would be evidence for it in the massive trove of documents that Snowden released.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Are you trying to be intentionally obtuse? You seriously think governments don't lie...you trust them? Then there's nothing to discuss.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago*

    Where did I say my beliefs were from government statements? My comment only mentioned leaks. How do leaks lie? Are you implying Snowden was in on a conspiracy where he only leaked documents that made it look like the government was following the law in order to pull the wool over our eyes? I have to admit, that is a new one to me.

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