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[–] 12 points 6 months ago (39 children)

I've never heard of Hexbear. Care to explain?

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (20 children)

    Many instances defederated from them because a large chunk of the user base was abusive and brigading. To an extent even the worst right wing instances federated couldn't match.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Not disputing your claim, as it doesn't surprise me at all, but I'm curious: What are "the worst right wing instances" ?

    I haven't paid enough attention to notice any instances with a consistent and noticeable right-wing lean.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (11 children)

    [source needed]

    I don't like tankies much either but I've seen way worse from the fascists.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I saw right wingers raging (rarely), but there would be a post about Bernie sanders and every time there's a hexbear user saying "this capitalist bootlicking swine, I never want to see his revolting war criminal face again." And replied to all comments saying "wtf is wrong with you" with similar comments. Go check the thread of my instance asking if we should defederate, I can find it if you want. So many people who said "the toxicity from hexbear is overwhelming," myself included.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago

    I don't disagree with you. I think that we should encourage the hexbears to be pitted against the great danger first - fascism. When I discuss factionalism and solidarity, I try to put the accent on "I understand your criticism, and that is why we should focus on the great danger: fascism and corporatism. If we will grow without compromising, we must rally all behind that cause, so that we foster solidarity."

    Propaganda at its core, is "sling something at the wall often enough and it becomes truth".

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Not really sure if it's useful to ask if diarrea or regular shit is worse.

    I don't want to step in either

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Well, for one, in eg. East Germany, homosexuality was decriminalised before in the West.

    In fascist Italy and Germany, you were sent to a concentration camp.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Ultimately that comes down to personal experience and circumstance. And as you can see a lot of people either experienced it themselves or saw it as well. And I don't think it's controversial to say that the Chapo Trap House crew are rather immature. Unfortunately for you a lot of the evidence that you're searching for is lost to time on instances that were Federated that have shut down. If you have access to hexbear you could probably find some of them I'm sure lurking around from 3 to 4 years ago.

    Not going to lie I haven't interacted with them in at least 3 years and I haven't missed it. Maybe they've matured. Anything is possible.

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  • To be fair, they did specify right-wing Lemmy instances, not right-wingers in general, and I can't think of any instances that would meet that definition off the top of my head.

    But Hexbear definitely has a reputation as some of the worst of the worst of the normal instances. Blahaj defederated from them despite Ada trying to get the trans communities of both instances connected because of the harassment, brigading, and outright transphobia Hexbear inflicted on Blahaj users for not being the right kind of leftists. You can still find the community discussions on the topic in the general instance posts. They even tried to claim that Blahaj was being transphobic to them. You know, the LGBTQ instance created and ran to be a space for trans people and others first and foremost.

    Hexbear is also known to have at least once tried to convince their mods to "take over other instances and ban all the non-communists."

    I believe that at this point if you were to download the stuff to spin up your own instance, Hexbear is on the list of instances that are defederated by default because so many instances have defederated them because of their behavior.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Lemmy.world defederated from hexbear "pre-emptively" before they even had federation active. To this day, I have never seen this mythical hexbear brigading.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Yes. And people including myself have accounts on other servers. And experienced it personally 3-4 years ago. That you didn't experience it doesn't disprove it. There's a reason many of us chose servers like world as primary, that didn't federate.

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  • [–] -5 points 6 months ago

    It's more often the reverse. You'll see accounts in hexbear-adjacent servers posting "Why Stalin Was Worse Than Hitler" tier content, getting banned, and then coming over to .world to scream and cry about how they've been censored by the mean Tankies.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They are authoritarian left and even though Russia is not a leftist country they will refuse to say a single thing bad about Russia, China, and some will even say nothing is wrong with north Korea. If you search the instance for 'Ukraine' you will see them saying Russia is the good guy in the Ukrainian war. They will say things like authoritarianism doesn't actually exist. I legitimately wonder how many posts are state sponsored lol. There are a lot of them on lemmy.ml as well

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  • [+] [S] 0 points 6 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (10 children)

    You guys are so weird. Russia is awful for non-cis people and you're all falling over yourselves simping for them.

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  • [+] [S] 1 point 6 months ago (9 children)
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    Got it. Everything is the west's fault. Very nuanced.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    You're the one who keeps dick measuring countries. I call out specific bad actions, regardless of who commits them.

    It's okay though, the west made you post that message.

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  • [+] [S] 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I wasn't thinking about the Chinese internet firewall at the moment, but you bring up a good point - that's a bad thing. What's the alternative, internet freedom where china can't police the media and public discourse?

    Sucks how the west makes china censor it's citizens.

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  • [+] [S] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    So the state should choose what people can read and say?

    Why on earth would you want that?

    I really don't get the tankie obsession with dictators and authoritarian rule. It seems so contrary to socialist ethos.

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  • [+] [S] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    There's the obvious language barrier, but just because something is not from the west does not mean it's accurate.

    I lived in Hong Kong for 3 years, Malaysia for 1, and live in a former Soviet country, so I am no stranger to non-western options.

    I hope you give non-western media the same critical analysis that you do western media.

    I'm not okay with suppression of information though. How would I even interact with Iranian citizens given that the government has blocked internet access?

    Media isn't blocked in western countries like it is in authoritarian dictatorships like china, Russia, Iran, north Korea, Cuba, etc...

    Lack of popularity does not equal censorship and that's a huge distinction. If I wanted to, I could read NK news.

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