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[–] 13 points 6 months ago* (23 children)

The problem is that people that want power will find ways to get power even if there's no established structures that give people power.

How do you prevent that from happening?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Well, there might need to be an equal and opposite reaction in order to keep it in check. If some people are just inherently evil and desire power over others, then I imagine there would also be inherently good people and desire to protect others.

    I don't think you can "prevent" this outright. That's why there's talk of "vigilance" and being "watchful" when it comes to government/democracy.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I absolutely agree with you, but this requires people to mostly think like that. And if people already mostly think like that, then it is actually almost completely irrelevant what political system we have. The question is how to establish such a mindset in most people.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Hmmm.. idk if "establishing a mindset in people" is viable tho. That kinda sounds like "make them think a certain way". I'm reminded of the adage you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink you know?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (7 children)

    Establish customs and structures that prevent power. It needs vigilance. There's evidence that before agriculture some humans exhibited "reverse dominance hierarchy," where if someone tried to assert dominance, the group would team up and ostracise, exile, or execute them.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    So all I gotta do is be the person delegated to the vigilance task and I'm golden for a takeover

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Zapatistas frequently rotate roles. There are no professional police or politicians.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    No no of course not, it'll only take a minute, and hey, I did such a good job with food distribution I can do it again if you want....

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    AFAIK, they aim so that every single person is rotated to every role (and only hold those roles for weeks before being rotated out); it's not like an election thing; it's more like a duty that everyone has to do. Whatever they're doing has been working for 3 decades.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Democracy and the separation of power is such a structure that we already have. It works perfectly fine if "the group would team up" and vote people that try to assert dominance out.

    We're just missing the "customs" that would make people do just that, and the question is how to establish this custom.

    It was already clear that we need customs that make people not give other people power, the question that I posed was how to start those customs you talk about.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    People arent born seeking power. That is an idea they get at a certain point. Why? Can we not nuture people away from this path?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Social status seeking is a behaviour we share with chimps, so it probably dates back to at least our last shared ancestor, ~6-7 Mya. It's observed in most social mammals, so maybe as far back as the rise of mammals like 66 Mya.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    How do you know your first sentence is true?

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    "Goo goo gaa gaa I want to have power over others" is no one's first sentence. Its an idea you have to learn at some point

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    No one's first words are "goo goo gaa gaa I want to put my penis in your pussy" and for some reason humans still manage to figure that one out like 12 years later without explicitly being taught it.

    Just because something is not immediately apparent in a baby does not mean that it isn't innate.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    the red flags are waving. Wtf do you mean TWELVE YEARS LATER? Side note, that too is pretty thoroughly taught by society, especially these days. And there are tons of people, particularly overly prudish religious couples, who dont figure it out and have to have someone explain to them which hole they are supposed to be trying.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)