▲ 162 ▼ South Korea: Mobile providers promise uniform minimum data rate of 400 kbit/s. (www.heise.de) submitted 7 months ago by Argyle13@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 27 comments fedilink hide all child comments They will no will no longer throttle mobile internet to unusable speeds after data allowances are exhausted, so it is kind of a "minimum universal connection" via mobile.
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 7 months ago (19 children) IDK, 400kbit/s is pretty close to unusable these days... permalink fedilink source hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago (12 children) It's enough for email, chats, banking and other essentials. I would say it's not enough to stream a movie, which seems fair to me if you spent all the data you have for the period. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago* (1 child) The home page of one of the largest banks by asset size https://www.shinhan.com/index.jsp would transfer 3.80MB up and 7.93MB down in a span of just under 4 minutes to fully load lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago That's crazy. But I assume most people would use an app, which usually has a low amount of traffic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] plz1@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (7 children) 400kbps would be slow as hell, for all of those use cases. Video would be unusable, but other stuff would still be insanely slow with all the bloat in modern websites and tracking crap in apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago 400kbps would be slow as hell, for all of those use cases. I did those things just fine on my first internet connection, which was 14.4k. When I upgraded to 54k, it was blazingly fast. Remember we are not talking about modern comfort, we are talking a connection that is out of data. It's okay to be annoyed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ragas@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (5 children) Use an ad-blocker and suddenly it is an ok speed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (4 children) I lived for years limited to similar speeds, you are hilariously wrong. That's 240p YouTube, most of the time. Sometimes it won't load 240. Most downloads through a browser will fail outright. You can download something, have that download saturate your entire internet and knock you offline. Anything autoplaying is aids. If someone messages you a link with a thumbnail you've just been DoSd, not DDoS because it only takes one person to kick you offline. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (3 children) If you're out of data, don't stream video. If you're out of data, don't download big files. If you're out of data, don't use websites with a lot of data (such as autoplaying videos), without a plugin or something to minimize it. If your chat can break your entire 400 k connection just by sending you a link, you should probably look at using some other software. Although of course that's hard, if your friend aren't willing to follow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. Thumbnails. They can't always be turned off and depending on what it is it can break everything for a good 30 seconds. Both steam and discord can do this. The internet in the modern world is just not made to support internet that slow. The reason I even used Reddit and use Lemmy now is other sites took ages to load in the first place, simpler works. Shit I still use bing out of habit because for a very long time it used less bandwidth to load than google, and it was good enough. edit: for things that actually matter i guess, work app had significant issues and the training videos i bypassed because the 480p wouldnt load. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. That changes the "good enough" part a lot. I know it's trash. But it works. That's great, if you've run out of data and really need to pay a bill. (Possibly internet bill.) It takes patience, but it's possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Sometimes possible, and the more time that goes on the less it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) It would be horridly slow for all those things (well maybe not text-only chats) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Worked fine for me, when my connection was slower that that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 12 points 7 months ago (2 children) 400kbit/s is surprisingly usable. I'm able to use my podcast app at 1.25x on 256kbit/s so with near double that i'm sure I could use it on my standard 1.6x that I like to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) If streaming in 256kbit/s only required 256kbit/s actual connection, your math is correct...in reality it will need higher bandwidth to stream seamlessly at that bitrate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago These are audio podcasts, not video, and it did work. Mind you, I couldn't have anything else going at the same time, but it did actually work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) Yeah, how is the website supposed to load a >GB of bloat and ads quickly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago 400kbit/s excruciatingly slow for even basic things besides web browsingon bloated sites. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 months ago You don't need HD video on your rectangle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago (12 children) It's enough for email, chats, banking and other essentials. I would say it's not enough to stream a movie, which seems fair to me if you spent all the data you have for the period. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago* (1 child) The home page of one of the largest banks by asset size https://www.shinhan.com/index.jsp would transfer 3.80MB up and 7.93MB down in a span of just under 4 minutes to fully load lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago That's crazy. But I assume most people would use an app, which usually has a low amount of traffic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] plz1@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (7 children) 400kbps would be slow as hell, for all of those use cases. Video would be unusable, but other stuff would still be insanely slow with all the bloat in modern websites and tracking crap in apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago 400kbps would be slow as hell, for all of those use cases. I did those things just fine on my first internet connection, which was 14.4k. When I upgraded to 54k, it was blazingly fast. Remember we are not talking about modern comfort, we are talking a connection that is out of data. It's okay to be annoyed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ragas@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (5 children) Use an ad-blocker and suddenly it is an ok speed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (4 children) I lived for years limited to similar speeds, you are hilariously wrong. That's 240p YouTube, most of the time. Sometimes it won't load 240. Most downloads through a browser will fail outright. You can download something, have that download saturate your entire internet and knock you offline. Anything autoplaying is aids. If someone messages you a link with a thumbnail you've just been DoSd, not DDoS because it only takes one person to kick you offline. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (3 children) If you're out of data, don't stream video. If you're out of data, don't download big files. If you're out of data, don't use websites with a lot of data (such as autoplaying videos), without a plugin or something to minimize it. If your chat can break your entire 400 k connection just by sending you a link, you should probably look at using some other software. Although of course that's hard, if your friend aren't willing to follow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. Thumbnails. They can't always be turned off and depending on what it is it can break everything for a good 30 seconds. Both steam and discord can do this. The internet in the modern world is just not made to support internet that slow. The reason I even used Reddit and use Lemmy now is other sites took ages to load in the first place, simpler works. Shit I still use bing out of habit because for a very long time it used less bandwidth to load than google, and it was good enough. edit: for things that actually matter i guess, work app had significant issues and the training videos i bypassed because the 480p wouldnt load. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. That changes the "good enough" part a lot. I know it's trash. But it works. That's great, if you've run out of data and really need to pay a bill. (Possibly internet bill.) It takes patience, but it's possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Sometimes possible, and the more time that goes on the less it is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) It would be horridly slow for all those things (well maybe not text-only chats) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Worked fine for me, when my connection was slower that that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tomalley8342@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago* (1 child) The home page of one of the largest banks by asset size https://www.shinhan.com/index.jsp would transfer 3.80MB up and 7.93MB down in a span of just under 4 minutes to fully load lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago That's crazy. But I assume most people would use an app, which usually has a low amount of traffic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago That's crazy. But I assume most people would use an app, which usually has a low amount of traffic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plz1@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (7 children) 400kbps would be slow as hell, for all of those use cases. Video would be unusable, but other stuff would still be insanely slow with all the bloat in modern websites and tracking crap in apps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago 400kbps would be slow as hell, for all of those use cases. I did those things just fine on my first internet connection, which was 14.4k. When I upgraded to 54k, it was blazingly fast. Remember we are not talking about modern comfort, we are talking a connection that is out of data. It's okay to be annoyed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ragas@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (5 children) Use an ad-blocker and suddenly it is an ok speed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (4 children) I lived for years limited to similar speeds, you are hilariously wrong. That's 240p YouTube, most of the time. Sometimes it won't load 240. Most downloads through a browser will fail outright. You can download something, have that download saturate your entire internet and knock you offline. Anything autoplaying is aids. If someone messages you a link with a thumbnail you've just been DoSd, not DDoS because it only takes one person to kick you offline. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (3 children) If you're out of data, don't stream video. If you're out of data, don't download big files. If you're out of data, don't use websites with a lot of data (such as autoplaying videos), without a plugin or something to minimize it. If your chat can break your entire 400 k connection just by sending you a link, you should probably look at using some other software. Although of course that's hard, if your friend aren't willing to follow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. Thumbnails. They can't always be turned off and depending on what it is it can break everything for a good 30 seconds. Both steam and discord can do this. The internet in the modern world is just not made to support internet that slow. The reason I even used Reddit and use Lemmy now is other sites took ages to load in the first place, simpler works. Shit I still use bing out of habit because for a very long time it used less bandwidth to load than google, and it was good enough. edit: for things that actually matter i guess, work app had significant issues and the training videos i bypassed because the 480p wouldnt load. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. That changes the "good enough" part a lot. I know it's trash. But it works. That's great, if you've run out of data and really need to pay a bill. (Possibly internet bill.) It takes patience, but it's possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Sometimes possible, and the more time that goes on the less it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago 400kbps would be slow as hell, for all of those use cases. I did those things just fine on my first internet connection, which was 14.4k. When I upgraded to 54k, it was blazingly fast. Remember we are not talking about modern comfort, we are talking a connection that is out of data. It's okay to be annoyed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ragas@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (5 children) Use an ad-blocker and suddenly it is an ok speed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (4 children) I lived for years limited to similar speeds, you are hilariously wrong. That's 240p YouTube, most of the time. Sometimes it won't load 240. Most downloads through a browser will fail outright. You can download something, have that download saturate your entire internet and knock you offline. Anything autoplaying is aids. If someone messages you a link with a thumbnail you've just been DoSd, not DDoS because it only takes one person to kick you offline. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (3 children) If you're out of data, don't stream video. If you're out of data, don't download big files. If you're out of data, don't use websites with a lot of data (such as autoplaying videos), without a plugin or something to minimize it. If your chat can break your entire 400 k connection just by sending you a link, you should probably look at using some other software. Although of course that's hard, if your friend aren't willing to follow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. Thumbnails. They can't always be turned off and depending on what it is it can break everything for a good 30 seconds. Both steam and discord can do this. The internet in the modern world is just not made to support internet that slow. The reason I even used Reddit and use Lemmy now is other sites took ages to load in the first place, simpler works. Shit I still use bing out of habit because for a very long time it used less bandwidth to load than google, and it was good enough. edit: for things that actually matter i guess, work app had significant issues and the training videos i bypassed because the 480p wouldnt load. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. That changes the "good enough" part a lot. I know it's trash. But it works. That's great, if you've run out of data and really need to pay a bill. (Possibly internet bill.) It takes patience, but it's possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Sometimes possible, and the more time that goes on the less it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (4 children) I lived for years limited to similar speeds, you are hilariously wrong. That's 240p YouTube, most of the time. Sometimes it won't load 240. Most downloads through a browser will fail outright. You can download something, have that download saturate your entire internet and knock you offline. Anything autoplaying is aids. If someone messages you a link with a thumbnail you've just been DoSd, not DDoS because it only takes one person to kick you offline. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (3 children) If you're out of data, don't stream video. If you're out of data, don't download big files. If you're out of data, don't use websites with a lot of data (such as autoplaying videos), without a plugin or something to minimize it. If your chat can break your entire 400 k connection just by sending you a link, you should probably look at using some other software. Although of course that's hard, if your friend aren't willing to follow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. Thumbnails. They can't always be turned off and depending on what it is it can break everything for a good 30 seconds. Both steam and discord can do this. The internet in the modern world is just not made to support internet that slow. The reason I even used Reddit and use Lemmy now is other sites took ages to load in the first place, simpler works. Shit I still use bing out of habit because for a very long time it used less bandwidth to load than google, and it was good enough. edit: for things that actually matter i guess, work app had significant issues and the training videos i bypassed because the 480p wouldnt load. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. That changes the "good enough" part a lot. I know it's trash. But it works. That's great, if you've run out of data and really need to pay a bill. (Possibly internet bill.) It takes patience, but it's possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Sometimes possible, and the more time that goes on the less it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (3 children) If you're out of data, don't stream video. If you're out of data, don't download big files. If you're out of data, don't use websites with a lot of data (such as autoplaying videos), without a plugin or something to minimize it. If your chat can break your entire 400 k connection just by sending you a link, you should probably look at using some other software. Although of course that's hard, if your friend aren't willing to follow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. Thumbnails. They can't always be turned off and depending on what it is it can break everything for a good 30 seconds. Both steam and discord can do this. The internet in the modern world is just not made to support internet that slow. The reason I even used Reddit and use Lemmy now is other sites took ages to load in the first place, simpler works. Shit I still use bing out of habit because for a very long time it used less bandwidth to load than google, and it was good enough. edit: for things that actually matter i guess, work app had significant issues and the training videos i bypassed because the 480p wouldnt load. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. That changes the "good enough" part a lot. I know it's trash. But it works. That's great, if you've run out of data and really need to pay a bill. (Possibly internet bill.) It takes patience, but it's possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Sometimes possible, and the more time that goes on the less it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. Thumbnails. They can't always be turned off and depending on what it is it can break everything for a good 30 seconds. Both steam and discord can do this. The internet in the modern world is just not made to support internet that slow. The reason I even used Reddit and use Lemmy now is other sites took ages to load in the first place, simpler works. Shit I still use bing out of habit because for a very long time it used less bandwidth to load than google, and it was good enough. edit: for things that actually matter i guess, work app had significant issues and the training videos i bypassed because the 480p wouldnt load. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. That changes the "good enough" part a lot. I know it's trash. But it works. That's great, if you've run out of data and really need to pay a bill. (Possibly internet bill.) It takes patience, but it's possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Sometimes possible, and the more time that goes on the less it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) That was my only data, not limited because I ran out. I'm saying how trash the speed is and how little it can do. That changes the "good enough" part a lot. I know it's trash. But it works. That's great, if you've run out of data and really need to pay a bill. (Possibly internet bill.) It takes patience, but it's possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Sometimes possible, and the more time that goes on the less it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago Sometimes possible, and the more time that goes on the less it is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) It would be horridly slow for all those things (well maybe not text-only chats) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Worked fine for me, when my connection was slower that that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Worked fine for me, when my connection was slower that that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 12 points 7 months ago (2 children) 400kbit/s is surprisingly usable. I'm able to use my podcast app at 1.25x on 256kbit/s so with near double that i'm sure I could use it on my standard 1.6x that I like to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) If streaming in 256kbit/s only required 256kbit/s actual connection, your math is correct...in reality it will need higher bandwidth to stream seamlessly at that bitrate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago These are audio podcasts, not video, and it did work. Mind you, I couldn't have anything else going at the same time, but it did actually work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) If streaming in 256kbit/s only required 256kbit/s actual connection, your math is correct...in reality it will need higher bandwidth to stream seamlessly at that bitrate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago These are audio podcasts, not video, and it did work. Mind you, I couldn't have anything else going at the same time, but it did actually work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago These are audio podcasts, not video, and it did work. Mind you, I couldn't have anything else going at the same time, but it did actually work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) Yeah, how is the website supposed to load a >GB of bloat and ads quickly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago 400kbit/s excruciatingly slow for even basic things besides web browsingon bloated sites. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago 400kbit/s excruciatingly slow for even basic things besides web browsingon bloated sites. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 months ago You don't need HD video on your rectangle. permalink fedilink source parent