Obviously, the internet has always been a toxic place, (the phrase "flame war" has been around for decades,) but it seems to have gotten so much worse over the last few years. I used to think decentralization of the internet would fix the worst of it, but Lemmy seems to have gotten worse alongside the rest of internet culture, proving me wrong. How do we fix/improve this culture of toxicity?

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[–] 14 points 7 months ago* (18 children)
  • Shun the toxic people. Block them and don't look back.
  • Seriously, block them. They're still gonna toxic whether you're there to observe it or not.
  • Find a well moderated instance that isn't afraid to show toxic people the door
  • Block .ml, grad, hexbear, dbzer0, and quokk.au
  • Block any other instance or person that centers itself around identity politics
  • Block all the news/politics communities. Just get your news from actual news services. The comment section for most news/politics posts here is worse than an entire garbage dump on fire.

And you'll end up with like 3 federated users left which is basically my /all feed now 😑

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    dbzer0, and quokk.au

    What's your issue with those instances, he asked quizzically.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    My coffee hasn't kicked in yet, so this is as diplomatic as I can phrase it under current conditions:

    Both are entrenched identity politics instances ("aNaRchISM!") and a good chunk of the calls for violence around here are from users there. You'll be over here trying to have a rational discussion, and someone from there comes in like the world's dumbest parrot who can only say "Bawk! Guillotines! Bawk! Luigi".

    dbzer0 was aight when it was just the piracy instance, but they've shifted more to far left politics and re-federated with Hexbear, so they're basically Hexbear-lite these days. Quokk turns a complete blind eye (or tacitly endorses) several power users who do nothing but call for violence, doxx, and/or do nothing but spread anarchist propaganda.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Thanks for answering!

    I don't have much problem with "anarchists," altho the term can mean a lot of things, and some of the typical core ideas are pie-in-the-sky to me. I certainly don't think of tankies as leftist, either, so it's troublesome that anyone would want to align with Hexbear.

    Regardless, bad actors and toxic users will always get the gas face* from me. I'll keep my eye on that stuff, thank you!

    * semi-obscure rap phrase from ~1990 I suppose, i.e. a jaundiced look

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    they are full of hostile angry people living in alternative version of reality

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    We are not angry or hostile, we just want to have some freedom and equality in the world.

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    yeah and you see no issue with murdering people to get it done.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

    There are people willing to kill you and everyone you love, cause any amount of suffering, and give zero thought for it, just so they can get more power. I don't mind if those people get deleted

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    You're talking about yourself. You are one of those people.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Anarchists believe no one should have power over others

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    then you shouldn't believe in violence. violence is power.

    you violate your own beliefs.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah it's like the famous paradox of tolerance, you must not tolerate intolerance

    Same way you gotta defend your freedoms from those trying to take them away from you, even if in doing so you end up violating theirs.

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    No, it's that you're a thug who thinks they are a hero.

    And like all thugs, you hide behind theoretical bullshit to justify your horrible actions and beliefs as for the 'greater good'.

    And if you found yourself on the receiving end of the violence you propose, I don't think you'd be so eager about it.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Seriously, just block them. It’s not a punishment, it’s a curation tool; you’re allowed to block people who haven’t done anything wrong just because you don’t want to see their content. If you don’t like women’s sports, block me! It’s fine — you should have the social media experience you want, and you can use the block button to get it.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    Well fucking said!👏

    We really need to grow beyond the idea that blocking is "censorship". That only (arguably) applies to large centralized platforms. The fediverse allows all voices to speak but it doesn't force everyone else to listen.

    The fediverse gives us huge individual and collective power and we can use it to grow beyond the constraints of the old platforms.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago*

    Identity politics derails everything into a toxic soup.

    It sucks that the founders of it thought it would bring 'justice' to the world or something, and it just made everything so much worse.

    One of the reasons I left my PhD in 2010 was because I could see the tide of ID pol alreadying ruining academia... I never thought it would become mainstream though and that everyone would start thinking that way. Thanks tumblr!

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