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This is Android's new 'advanced flow' for sideloading apps without verification, includes one-day waiting period (9to5google.com)
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[–] 412 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (80 children)

A one day wait period to install an app on your mobile pocket computer. Fucken bullshit.

Edit: to all the "its one time" defenders, its one time for now. Stop falling for it. It always starts with an inch.

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  • [–] 98 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    People this willing to let a self-enriching corporate nanny state erode their ability to use the products they paid for terrify me.

    People this willing to fall for the blatant corporate strategy of "We'll announce something unthinkable but then backpedal to something "only" terrible (and then probably do the unthinkable thing later now that we've encroached further and softened the blow)" for the millionth time confound me.

    Show some dignity; jesus christ. This isn't a "compromise". Me breaking into your house, threatening to kill you, but then "only" hitting you with a bat and leaving isn't a "compromise".

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago

    In the sales world, this effect is called "price anchoring" and is used by tons of companies. All those sales you see where something is "marked down 50%!" are using a manufacturers price that does exist in real life to get that 50% markdown. In reality, the sale price is just the actual price of the item but people see the "huge discount" and think they're getting a deal.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Long live lineagos

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Things like LineageOS are a workaround, not a solution.

    The solution has to be legal, not technical. Companies have to be stopped from trying to fuck with users' property rights in the first place!

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    Yup. I've heard this first about Home Assistant, but software like this often inadvertently acts like a pacifier for tech enthusiasts. We may have our neat solution for the moment and be content with that, but that doesn't help anyone else, or us in the long term. Things will get worse with no push-back.

    Disclaimer: That's not to say that we shouldn't advocate for those tools in the meantime as well. We just shouldn't lose track of the actual problem.

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I don't need google telling me what I can put on this fucking phone I bought and paid for.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It sure is a completely unnecessary burden designed as a deterrant.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I don't believe that this is for the better, nor that this is done in good faith to protect users. They already tried to make it mandatory to go through Google, which is a pretty clear hint of their actual goal.

    Google pushes the safety narrative, but this also conveniently entrenches Google as the authority over alternatives and hurts not only FOSS, but also competing app stores from other companies like Amazon, Samsung, or whatever Chinese manufacturers.

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  • [–] 38 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    What is it a compromise between? People who think they own the thing they paid for and people who don't?

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Why? We are paying full price for these devices and nothing in any agreement made at the time of purchase suggests that you don't own them. Why is it necessary to meet a middle ground between "you got what you paid for" and "you didn't"?

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    No. Fuck all of that. I will not have some fucking Corp tell me what I can install and when on my own goddamn hardware.

    If they want to implement something like this, make it an opt-in toggle during device setup to put the phone into nanny mode

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  • [–] 63 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I mean, it always starts with an inch but what people dont get is that compared to the 2000's we are a mile deep and compared to rhe 80's we are already in a dystopia.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    In the '80s we'd need a building to do a fraction what our phones do now. Even in the 2000s they would qualify as a supercomputer. I guarantee you wouldn't be able to install whatever you wanted on any of those computers and even if you could, a days wait would be lightning fast in comparison.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (44 children)

    It appears that the "security wait" will be a one time thing when you first allow installing from unverified sources. After enabling it it will remain on indefiniately.

    Not quite as bad as I was fearing, but will kinda annoying.

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  • [–] 128 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (42 children)

    "Not quire as bad"? My dude, you have to ask for permission from a corporation to install an app on your phone that you supposedly own and paid for. On what planet is this not awful?

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago

    Sure. Because as we know people grabbing your unlocked phone to sideload apps onto it is an almost daily occurrence. Which of us hasn't had a stranger install a cryto miner while we looked away for a second.

    Get real. This is an imaginary problem affecting the 0.01% they are using to tell you this action is justifiable. Getting more control is the aim of their game

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  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    If they're already into your phone there's so many legitimate ways to extract your data. The ability to sideload an app won't impact that.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Lmfao. I'll invent a better way and it will only take me negative 50 years to do it.

    Passcode.

    There is absolutely nothing positive about this. It is only nefarious, full stop. I could open a million dollar restaurant that served microwaved cat shit, but on the menu it's called "Tbone Steak" and with your logic, people wouldn't notice the difference.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    When you couple what you just said with what they're trying to do, your own argument can be made in my favor.

    One of my hobbies in college was shoulder surfing classmates passwords just to repeat it back to them later in the day. Though on a phone you have far fewer reasons to type in an associated accounts password.

    Never tell anyone else this again, and stop doing it. What an insane invasion of privacy.

    My security should be my choice on my device end of story. My password/passcode plus encryption with easily accessible ways to put it into lockdown mode and have lockdown mode on a continuous timer is absolutely enough for my threat model.

    I don't need any else making any addition call on it, and I definitely don't need someone that is willingly bragging about invading others privacy coaching me on what these companies are intending while actively trying to take my right to privacy away.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    You said classmates. And hobby implies you did it a lot, and a lot extends beyond a few friends very quickly, so I do doubt it was limited to that, but I've got no choice but to take your word. Also I had thought you were the guy previously okaying this privacy nightmare in a trenchcoat, so ignore half of what I was saying.

    Whatever it is or whatever it helps, if people want to opt into it, have at it. I will not be doing that. My solution protects me from everyone accept teams that have the funding and skill to get in through other means. I use biometrics, not perfect but it works. If I want those disabled until a password/code is in, it's a tap away. No one sees me use it because I'm using biometrics until I don't want to.

    In what world do we expect companies that have decades long track records of fucking us for profit to stop after another empty promise?

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    You do realize that what you're saying might've been the goal all along? It's literally an "I'm altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further" vader moment and you're saying you're relieved. Make no mistake, you, me and every single Android user was just fucked over and it'll only get worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think I made myself clear; I am relievd because I thought I was going to lose access to my apps in the next update cycle. The thought of that filled me with anxiety, but now I have more time to prepare.

    I'm hoping that something like lineageOS will be unaffected and will be available for my device before Google remove sideloading altogether

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    This is happening to PCs now too, eg. with the OS 'age-gating' laws that IMO only exist to quell competition for MS, Google, and Apple.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (7 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    For real! I used to redo my phone all the time, especially before big trips. I can imagine myself getting ready to go to (insert remote designation here) and I'm sitting in my home office the day before prepping my phone with a fresh slate of travel apps after clearing out all the stale user data. Now if I start too late, I would theoretically have to finish 24h later, perhaps when I'm in Nigeria (frequent power outages) or Germany (different play store rules and feature availability). Just leave me alone already. If someone is really very very scam-prone, you buy them one of those fisher price phones with big huge numbers and no screen, or you put parental controls on the phone.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Until you have to help someone install an app not available to them.

    Xfinity stream for example is not on the Chromecast play store, even though an Android build exists on the Fire TV store. I had to guide my dad through this. In this case it wouldn't be possible for 24 hours.

    Had a similar issue with an app not available in a friend's region.

    I could live with the whole flow minus the delay. This is shit, just pure shit.

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