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PieFed Users By Day Growth (media.piefed.social)

submitted 7 months ago by Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social to c/piefed_meta@piefed.social

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PieFed is seeing quite steady growth, nice to see.

Anyone know what that blip was?

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 21 points 7 months ago (28 children)

I am a refuge from reddit, as I understand it, incompletely, lemmy is it's own thing, piefed is a new one, with some differences in moderation and moderator tools. Lemmy has a lot of tankie influence is a big factor, communists, they are kind of dicks, to put it lightly.

I think there is a third one too, they can all talk to each other on here.

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[–] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 8 points 7 months ago

I think there is a third one too, they can all talk to each other on here.

Mbin is the other big one. Also NodeBB has recently started federating with the Threadiverse too.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 28 points 7 months ago (17 children)

Lemmy has a lot of tankie influence is a big factor, communists, they are kind of dicks, to put it lightly.

This is why I've moved away from Lemmy and now do my monthly donations to Piefed.

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 months ago (12 children)

My first account on my first day or so I said something on one of their threads, thinking they were just super politically correct leftists, and they jumped all over me. Followed me around for months, the entire time I was on that instance really, some made non tankie instance accounts just to troll me. Pathetic really, but I got sick of it, I can give better than they can but I don't want to get in pissing matches with trolls all the time.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 14 points 7 months ago* (11 children)

They've actually never followed me out of their echo chambers I think because the light is bright and it hurts their eyes.

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago* (10 children)

You see, I didn't know they were communists, so didn't see why they would be offended by my comment, so defended it, like 50 replies if not more to hundreds of comments from multiple users jumping on my shit, until one of the cool ones explained to me they were communists mostly living outside the US, so I started ignoring them. But one of their enforcer types demanded I apologize and I told him to eat a dick or something, so that didn't help.

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 points 7 months ago* (9 children)

They're not communists, they're Stalinists. Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society. They want the people's authoritarian regime to step on their necks with the people's boot.

Communism has been successfully practiced for 60,000 years, but every tankie state either collapses or goes capitalist.

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

As I called them when they insulted me, the long palsied arm of russian intelligence.

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

More likely useful idiots, which is arguably worse in many ways?

It does teach the rest of us a lesson though, in how dangerous echo chambers can become. When nobody is allowed to challenge authority, facts easily become decoupled from reality.

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Some say there is nothing worse than a true believer in propaganda. Idk if that's always true. It's kind of funny though, as I told them, in those workers' paradises of Russia and China of theirs, if they talked their shit domestically, they would be sent to the gulag or re-education camps.

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Inside an echo chamber, facts no longer matter. Like "AI is good" or "AI is bad", while discussions that involve more nuance and subtlety about the topic become forbidden in either, as the mods/admins only allow their own chosen POV to remain, removing all others.

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

Which is why our federated social media should have clear rules fairly enforced, ways to appeal, that end in a jury trial of users of the instance.

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago

But instead, Lemmy is somehow built to be even more authoritarian than Reddit. e.g. there is a modlog, but there is no modmail to ask questions in, no ability to notify people that they have been banned or that content has been removed, and when a post is removed the page claims that it never even so much as existed in the first place.

The "rights" of instance admins are supreme, and that trickles down so that mods inherit some of that, but the rights of individual users are that they can take it or like it... or leave and go elsewhere. I will leave it to you to judge whether such authoritarianism is inherently "bad", or whether democratic principles are "good"/better, I am just pointing out that the tankie-developed platform of Lemmy somehow ended up very similar to and somehow even more Reddit-esque than Reddit itself - crucially not in all ways or we would not be here, but in some of them.

And don't even get me started on the practices of lemmy.ml itself...

Conversely, PieFed is very different - many of those notification types do exist here, like notifications of mod actions are sent out (almost annoyingly so - do I really need to be notified of being banned from a whole slew of communities that I never even heard of nor ever indicated even the slightest interest in? however, I do find it refreshing to be notified of such matters TOO MUCH rather than not at all, since in Lemmy much thought is given to the concerns of instance admins, but comparatively very little to the common user), and also users no longer have the right to delete their own posts, or rather they have the right to delete THEIR content that they contributed, but they don't have the right to wipe out all of the discussions that took place underneath the thread they they started. e.g. they can ask a question and they can delete their question if they like, but they can no longer delete all of the very helpful answers that other people offered to them, which potentially may have involved some large amount of effort to research and respond with.

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[–] Neopergoss@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children)

Making distinctions between Stalinists and Trotskyists or Second Internationalists or whatever in 2026 is just idiotic sectarianism. Trump is the president! We need to unite rather than focus on such petty squabbles.

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago

The tankies aren't on our side. We agree on a lot of problems. Let's work on them we say, they say no, fuck you, only violent revolution will do it, and I hope you die. Is their attitude. They are tools of the fascist regime of Russia I suspect.

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 7 months ago

I'll ally with people who want Trump gone and will take any action to make it happen. Those Stalinists think relinquishing their vote is a good way to get closer to voter reform and a higher priority than kicking Trump out.

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[–] inari@piefed.zip 21 points 7 months ago*

Thank you for your contributions, SatansMaggotyCumFart

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Yup. I actually pulled my Lemmy donations when Nutomic started his begging campaign last year with his "come on guys my kids need to eat" sob story while still refusing to actually apologize for his transphobia and still defending Dessalines problematic... Everything.

Fucking dumpster fire. Piefed is the way

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 points 7 months ago

And they add new features at less than half the rate the piefed devs too. Too busy posting about how the Uyghur reeducation camps are ethical to write code, I guess.

And the quality of their code sucks. They're using Rust, which is the most memory safe programming language, yet a Lemmy server eats twice as much memory as a piefed server with twice the users.

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

I feel like I've seen that username on reddit. Somehow I remembered that one.

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[–] Tuuktuuk@nord.pub 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Lemmy is software. PieFed is software. And they have the same content. Okay, people hate the email comparison, but I'm gonna make one anyway :)

So: Google has programmed a web service that receives and sends so called emails for its users. And then another company, called Microsoft, has programmed another web service, that receives and sends those emails as well. "Email" is not a product of either Google or Microsoft. Email is not even software. Email is kind of... Nothing. It's just a protocol. Email as a concept is just the data that travels between various email servers. Email is nothing more than an agreed-upon standard that various web servers programmed by a lot of different teams are all able to interpret more or less in the same manner.
The word for that is protocol. Email is not a program programmed by either Google or Microsoft. Email is a protocol.

And the same goes with this thing called ActivityPub. PieFed is one server software, programmed by a certain Rimu.

And then Lemmy is another server software.

...written by a Marxist-Maoist person who likes supporting various genocides because authoritarianism is awesomeness or something.

And then there's also MBin. And bunch of other similar server softwares. This conversation we are now having is being relayed to the world by a server in the address http://piefed.social. It basically shouts out all the activity that takes place under this post to whatever server cares to listen. And then the other server can replicate the content.
The "shouting out all activity" is done using a protocol called ActivityPub.

So, here's this very conversation you are reading, seen from:

As you can see, each of the links points to a different server. But it's still the precisely same content.

When it comes to moderation: The admin on anarchist.nexus can only moderate stuff that is either:

published by users of that server
published in communities hosted on that server
plus: if the owner of some community has appointed them as a moderator on that specific community, then also there.

If a user from lemmy.ml is being an ass on a community hosted on kbin.melroy.org, the admin of anarchist.nexus cannot really do much anything at all about them. However, they can completely severe the connection to either of those two servers. That is called defederation. For example, many servers have indeed defederated from lemmy.ml, because the admins of that server allow their users to behave like asses towards people living under occupations by authoritarian colonial empires. And either you basically give those people free reign, or you severe the connection to the offending server. Users of servers that have defederated lemmy.ml have a much better experience, because they miss most of the tankie content. And people who are not pro-authoritarianism don't really have any reason to stay on that server, so they tend to migrate to something that is okay with the concept of human rights.

For example piefed.social ~~has defederated from lemmy.ml~~ (EDIT: correction, no, it hasn't But it has defederated from two instances that are even worse). That means, you are very unlikely to see tankie shit in the comments of this post. Anything coming from communities hosted on piefed.social (such as this one is!) or from users on piefed.social is invisible for users of lemmy.ml. And the other way around.

It's a very interesting way to do moderation: You either moderate your server's users in a sensible way, or your server gets cut off by other servers.
Defederations are done on a per-server basis. That means, comment chains can look very different depending on where you're reading it from. Piefed.zip does federate with lemmy.ml, so a community running on piefed.zip is able to have comments from users of lemmy.ml. But a user of piefed.social will not see the comments made by users of lemmy.ml – nor any replies to them! That's why many people don't like to reply to users from lemmy.ml: A lot of people will be unable to see your reply! If you want to say something to a user on lemmy.ml, better write a top-level comment and tag them. Of course, any replies to their comment is invisible for a huge share of Fediverse readers.

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[–] Skavau@piefed.social 11 points 7 months ago

A detail: Piefed.social has not defederated from lemmy.ml. It has defederated from lemmygrad and hexbear though.

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago

I was against any sort of censorship of other groups, until I got a taste of those guys, not just .ml, the worst are hexbear in my experience. The thing is a lot of their users are actually cool, but there is like a hierarchy, it's not a collective so much as a top down operation, with enforcers or sorts. Their users need permission to accept a new theory on something.

But you can have some good conversations, until the enforcers notice you again.

You almost have to cut these guys off, there's a danger doing that to too many groups over disagreements and making echo chambers, but as others pointed out, not defederating has led new users to be chased off the site after being abused by those dickheads.

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 point 7 months ago

I've banned plenty of authoritarians from MULTIVERSE for spouting propaganda on off-instance communities. Our users don't have to see that kind of stuff.

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[–] leoj@piefed.zip 2 points 7 months ago

I had no clue wtf you meant by "tankie" but I now do, just encountered on in the wild for daring to call out Russia's invasion of Ukraine... Fucking nuts man, Lemmy sucks.

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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

there are plenty of tankie leftists on piefed too, don't worry

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[–] klu9@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago

The third one I think you're referring to is Mbin, which I believe combines the threadiverse-style of Lemmy & Piefed (like Reddit) with the microblog-style of Mastodon (like Twitter)

https://joinmbin.org/

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Tankies give communists a bad name. I'm a communist and I made a communist piefed instance to get away from the tankies

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago

Many of the people on ml and hexbear are cool, I had good conversations. But the leadership as such is the problem. You are right, there is nothing wrong with communists, these guys are tools of fascists. You better believe it. And china is not communist.

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