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[–] 112 points 1 year ago (44 children)

I’m not sure if I want this to fail or succeed.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Best case scenario is it will split the right wing vote. In Canada, we're used to it going the other way with conservatives taking advantage of a split left.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Washington Post columnists said it would probably just capture the "Never Trumper" moderate Republican voters who currently begrudgingly vote Democratic because they understand that the Republican Party is nominating only yes-men and fascists.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Washington Post isn't exactly a beacon of truth and justice.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Especially not their opinion column but I'm just posting here because it's interesting to see what the neoliberals think about it and it's a good discussion point

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Washington Post is Murdoch connected as of December 2023 (new leader and Bezos began to flex his muscles at the paper). I hesitate to call it neoliberal. It's moved right of that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you actually bother to read it (regularly, not just once or twice on selected columns that you saw posted online), you would not think that. The opinion column is very neoliberal with a hint of libertarianism.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I was an active subscriber who regularly read WashPo.

    Ruth Marcus, Alexandra Petri and a whole slew of other liberals have left the post after the 2024 election and various tampering by Jeff Bezos. Or have you not noticed the change of writers yourself??

    The ones who remained are hardly NeoLiberal, but overall have shifted farther and farther right. Jeff Bezos killing a few key OpEds have made it clear to the liberals that they are no longer welcome at the Washington Post.


    Or what? You gonna try to convince me that Hugh Hewitt is a liberal or some shit?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Republican never Trumper that doesn't vote GOP is likely vanishingly small. They all fall in line.

    It might siphon off the GOP voters that begrudingly fell in line because they bought the Communist Kamala or something, or the ones that needed to see Trump disaster a second time.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Same with the USA, the US Green Party is funded by Conservative PACs such as Badger Values. If there were left unity then the 8 million people who showed up for Biden 2020 would have shown up for Harris 2024, but a lot of people are convinced the DNC aren't left enough and that primary elections are shams.

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  • [–] 152 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Hopefully it has success at breaking us from our failed two party system, while at the same time the party itself fails (and costs him lot of money in the process).

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  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    We'll need ranked choice (or some other voting scheme other than First Past The Post). Otherwise it'll just end up the same as it always has.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yes, and without it, any third party struggles to take hold. This new party could make ranked choice voting a bipartisan(tripartisan?) issue since they would need it to survive unless they really think they can just yank all of the R votes their way.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    Need new rules in House and Senate, too. The majority party gets majority in all the committees, gets to pick all the committee chairs, etc. All of the current non-D/non-R members 'caucus' with one of the major parties, making them de facto members of that party. A third party with enough representation to block the other two from gaining majority would almost certainly end up in an alliance with one, leaving us back with functional two-party politics.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'll gladly accept a reactionary centrist spoiler party into the mix. Especially if it coincides with the Clinton wing of the DNC losing its ability to maintain its grip on power.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What is the “Clinton wing” of the DNC?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    The Dems who, since the shock of the Reagan revolution, swore off having a political project beyond "don't make it worse" but accidentally foreclosed on making things better in the process. More recently, they've been heard saying things like "nothing will fundamentally change" in the face of a political situation that is very different from 40 years earlier.

    Basically all the powerful Dems since Bill Clinton. Groups like the Democratic Leadership Council. They'll poo poo ideas that regularly poll at 80% support across all parties, then spend all their political capital barely carrying a compromise position with 48% support across the finish line.

    I really hope that we're reaching a tipping point where people who believe in a better world and pursue policies to bring it about can have sustained political success

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Elon Musk, the neonazi, centrist?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Obviously, they're nothing centrist about this guy (besides, perhaps, his perceived position in the universe). They are, in fact, reactionaries, so definitionally right wing. But they believe they are splitting the difference between the Stalinist left (exemplified by the NYT) and the fascist right (unbeknownst to them, them).

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    Breaking the US from the failed 2-party system would require replacing first-past-the-post voting with at least ranked choice, if not a proportional system like Hare-Clarke, and probably scrapping the Electoral College altogether. Which may require constitutional amendments, or at least a partisan Supreme Court sympathetic to more democracy that would Chewbacca-defence it through regardless of legality.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Yeah...

    At best, it splits the MAGAt vote, making Dems a clear winner.

    At worst, it takes some GenZ dipshit votes away from Dems and causes chaos.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Gen z men are already voting republican

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Cut the age blame crap. They did nothing different than the rest of our society. Don't let our generations fall for the same tactics as the generations before us. Our war needs to be a class war, not some stupid "young people are lazy nowadays" bullshit that EVERY high horse ignorant person has said for the last 200 years. Do the youth a favor and look upon anyone who singles them out and trys to separate us with disgrace. Respect is a 2 way street. Let's be better

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