▲ 625 ▼ Easy-to-use solar panels are coming, but utilities are trying to delay them (www.npr.org) submitted 8 months ago by fuzzyfirefox@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 245 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ywuduyu@piefed.social 18 points 8 months ago* (25 children) You are only allowed to sell inverters approved by VDE permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [+] artyom@piefed.social -23 points 8 months ago (24 children) Again I ask, if there is no permit, how will the utilities know you are in compliance with this law? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 17 points 8 months ago (23 children) You are required to notify your utilities that you'll be operating a direct plugged small solar PV installation, that's it. They can't forbid you from doing this. The utilities don't monitor compliance, the manufacturer is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [+] artyom@piefed.social -24 points 8 months ago (22 children) So it sounds like you're saying there is no way? And therein lies the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (19 children) The certification on the product shows that it's safe to use in grid-tie. What the fuck are you on about? Are you just being intentionally an obtuse pain in the ass? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 8 months ago (2 children) Yeah, really weird. It seems like they had some kind of agenda or point to make, but they're going about it a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah they seem to be making a big deal out of nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago They have like 3 conversations that are 25 comments deep displaying the same pedantic and confrontational conversational style. No point, just 'you're wrong' wrapped in different toxic packages. permalink fedilink source parent [+] artyom@piefed.social -16 points 8 months ago (15 children) Are you a fucking moron? What's to stop anyone from installing an uncertified product? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] fta@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (3 children) What’s to stop anyone from installing a panel without a licensed reviewer taking a look? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) ...it's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) What's stopping me from plugging a diesel generator into my house when the power goes out? Generators are common in rural America. Don't require a license either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) They require permitting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) How can cars exist when anyone could do an illegal thing to modify them?!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago (6 children) Illegal things are illegal. Good job. This is not. That's the point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. That's the point. What is the point? I mean, truly, what is it that you're trying to convey in this thread? Do us all a favor and use a few sentences to explain that your point actually is here because clearly you're trying to make a point but you're going about it in a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (4 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. Regulated = legal. This is neither. I've already explained my point in great detail, several times. The utility is in the right to be concerned about worker safety when people are legally allowed to connect unpermitted potentially unsafe equipment to the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) What do you think "certifications" are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Are you a fucking moron? No that's you, buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The world is built around the idea that people follow the rules. If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? How many people make Widowmaker cords for generators and back feed the fucking grid during outages? This is not some new problem. If you're found fucking around, you find out with a big ass fine/jail. That's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -5 points 8 months ago If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. Except it's not that simple, because it's not illegal. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? You realize that's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) By now over 1.2 million people in Germany have registered (and even more have not registered) their legal small scale solar system and are producing their own electricity (mine covers 2/3rds of my total demand). If you think that's a problem, be my guest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] artyom@piefed.social -8 points 8 months ago I don't know if it's a problem or not. Do you? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] artyom@piefed.social -23 points 8 months ago (24 children) Again I ask, if there is no permit, how will the utilities know you are in compliance with this law? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 17 points 8 months ago (23 children) You are required to notify your utilities that you'll be operating a direct plugged small solar PV installation, that's it. They can't forbid you from doing this. The utilities don't monitor compliance, the manufacturer is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [+] artyom@piefed.social -24 points 8 months ago (22 children) So it sounds like you're saying there is no way? And therein lies the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (19 children) The certification on the product shows that it's safe to use in grid-tie. What the fuck are you on about? Are you just being intentionally an obtuse pain in the ass? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 8 months ago (2 children) Yeah, really weird. It seems like they had some kind of agenda or point to make, but they're going about it a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah they seem to be making a big deal out of nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago They have like 3 conversations that are 25 comments deep displaying the same pedantic and confrontational conversational style. No point, just 'you're wrong' wrapped in different toxic packages. permalink fedilink source parent [+] artyom@piefed.social -16 points 8 months ago (15 children) Are you a fucking moron? What's to stop anyone from installing an uncertified product? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] fta@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (3 children) What’s to stop anyone from installing a panel without a licensed reviewer taking a look? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) ...it's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) What's stopping me from plugging a diesel generator into my house when the power goes out? Generators are common in rural America. Don't require a license either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) They require permitting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) How can cars exist when anyone could do an illegal thing to modify them?!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago (6 children) Illegal things are illegal. Good job. This is not. That's the point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. That's the point. What is the point? I mean, truly, what is it that you're trying to convey in this thread? Do us all a favor and use a few sentences to explain that your point actually is here because clearly you're trying to make a point but you're going about it in a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (4 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. Regulated = legal. This is neither. I've already explained my point in great detail, several times. The utility is in the right to be concerned about worker safety when people are legally allowed to connect unpermitted potentially unsafe equipment to the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) What do you think "certifications" are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Are you a fucking moron? No that's you, buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The world is built around the idea that people follow the rules. If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? How many people make Widowmaker cords for generators and back feed the fucking grid during outages? This is not some new problem. If you're found fucking around, you find out with a big ass fine/jail. That's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -5 points 8 months ago If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. Except it's not that simple, because it's not illegal. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? You realize that's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) By now over 1.2 million people in Germany have registered (and even more have not registered) their legal small scale solar system and are producing their own electricity (mine covers 2/3rds of my total demand). If you think that's a problem, be my guest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] artyom@piefed.social -8 points 8 months ago I don't know if it's a problem or not. Do you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 17 points 8 months ago (23 children) You are required to notify your utilities that you'll be operating a direct plugged small solar PV installation, that's it. They can't forbid you from doing this. The utilities don't monitor compliance, the manufacturer is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [+] artyom@piefed.social -24 points 8 months ago (22 children) So it sounds like you're saying there is no way? And therein lies the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (19 children) The certification on the product shows that it's safe to use in grid-tie. What the fuck are you on about? Are you just being intentionally an obtuse pain in the ass? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 8 months ago (2 children) Yeah, really weird. It seems like they had some kind of agenda or point to make, but they're going about it a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah they seem to be making a big deal out of nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago They have like 3 conversations that are 25 comments deep displaying the same pedantic and confrontational conversational style. No point, just 'you're wrong' wrapped in different toxic packages. permalink fedilink source parent [+] artyom@piefed.social -16 points 8 months ago (15 children) Are you a fucking moron? What's to stop anyone from installing an uncertified product? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] fta@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (3 children) What’s to stop anyone from installing a panel without a licensed reviewer taking a look? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) ...it's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) What's stopping me from plugging a diesel generator into my house when the power goes out? Generators are common in rural America. Don't require a license either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) They require permitting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) How can cars exist when anyone could do an illegal thing to modify them?!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago (6 children) Illegal things are illegal. Good job. This is not. That's the point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. That's the point. What is the point? I mean, truly, what is it that you're trying to convey in this thread? Do us all a favor and use a few sentences to explain that your point actually is here because clearly you're trying to make a point but you're going about it in a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (4 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. Regulated = legal. This is neither. I've already explained my point in great detail, several times. The utility is in the right to be concerned about worker safety when people are legally allowed to connect unpermitted potentially unsafe equipment to the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) What do you think "certifications" are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Are you a fucking moron? No that's you, buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The world is built around the idea that people follow the rules. If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? How many people make Widowmaker cords for generators and back feed the fucking grid during outages? This is not some new problem. If you're found fucking around, you find out with a big ass fine/jail. That's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -5 points 8 months ago If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. Except it's not that simple, because it's not illegal. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? You realize that's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) By now over 1.2 million people in Germany have registered (and even more have not registered) their legal small scale solar system and are producing their own electricity (mine covers 2/3rds of my total demand). If you think that's a problem, be my guest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] artyom@piefed.social -8 points 8 months ago I don't know if it's a problem or not. Do you? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] artyom@piefed.social -24 points 8 months ago (22 children) So it sounds like you're saying there is no way? And therein lies the problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (19 children) The certification on the product shows that it's safe to use in grid-tie. What the fuck are you on about? Are you just being intentionally an obtuse pain in the ass? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 8 months ago (2 children) Yeah, really weird. It seems like they had some kind of agenda or point to make, but they're going about it a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah they seem to be making a big deal out of nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago They have like 3 conversations that are 25 comments deep displaying the same pedantic and confrontational conversational style. No point, just 'you're wrong' wrapped in different toxic packages. permalink fedilink source parent [+] artyom@piefed.social -16 points 8 months ago (15 children) Are you a fucking moron? What's to stop anyone from installing an uncertified product? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] fta@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (3 children) What’s to stop anyone from installing a panel without a licensed reviewer taking a look? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) ...it's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) What's stopping me from plugging a diesel generator into my house when the power goes out? Generators are common in rural America. Don't require a license either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) They require permitting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) How can cars exist when anyone could do an illegal thing to modify them?!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago (6 children) Illegal things are illegal. Good job. This is not. That's the point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. That's the point. What is the point? I mean, truly, what is it that you're trying to convey in this thread? Do us all a favor and use a few sentences to explain that your point actually is here because clearly you're trying to make a point but you're going about it in a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (4 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. Regulated = legal. This is neither. I've already explained my point in great detail, several times. The utility is in the right to be concerned about worker safety when people are legally allowed to connect unpermitted potentially unsafe equipment to the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) What do you think "certifications" are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Are you a fucking moron? No that's you, buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The world is built around the idea that people follow the rules. If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? How many people make Widowmaker cords for generators and back feed the fucking grid during outages? This is not some new problem. If you're found fucking around, you find out with a big ass fine/jail. That's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -5 points 8 months ago If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. Except it's not that simple, because it's not illegal. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? You realize that's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) By now over 1.2 million people in Germany have registered (and even more have not registered) their legal small scale solar system and are producing their own electricity (mine covers 2/3rds of my total demand). If you think that's a problem, be my guest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] artyom@piefed.social -8 points 8 months ago I don't know if it's a problem or not. Do you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (19 children) The certification on the product shows that it's safe to use in grid-tie. What the fuck are you on about? Are you just being intentionally an obtuse pain in the ass? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 8 months ago (2 children) Yeah, really weird. It seems like they had some kind of agenda or point to make, but they're going about it a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah they seem to be making a big deal out of nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago They have like 3 conversations that are 25 comments deep displaying the same pedantic and confrontational conversational style. No point, just 'you're wrong' wrapped in different toxic packages. permalink fedilink source parent [+] artyom@piefed.social -16 points 8 months ago (15 children) Are you a fucking moron? What's to stop anyone from installing an uncertified product? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] fta@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (3 children) What’s to stop anyone from installing a panel without a licensed reviewer taking a look? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) ...it's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) What's stopping me from plugging a diesel generator into my house when the power goes out? Generators are common in rural America. Don't require a license either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) They require permitting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) How can cars exist when anyone could do an illegal thing to modify them?!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago (6 children) Illegal things are illegal. Good job. This is not. That's the point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. That's the point. What is the point? I mean, truly, what is it that you're trying to convey in this thread? Do us all a favor and use a few sentences to explain that your point actually is here because clearly you're trying to make a point but you're going about it in a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (4 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. Regulated = legal. This is neither. I've already explained my point in great detail, several times. The utility is in the right to be concerned about worker safety when people are legally allowed to connect unpermitted potentially unsafe equipment to the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) What do you think "certifications" are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Are you a fucking moron? No that's you, buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The world is built around the idea that people follow the rules. If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? How many people make Widowmaker cords for generators and back feed the fucking grid during outages? This is not some new problem. If you're found fucking around, you find out with a big ass fine/jail. That's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -5 points 8 months ago If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. Except it's not that simple, because it's not illegal. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? You realize that's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 8 months ago (2 children) Yeah, really weird. It seems like they had some kind of agenda or point to make, but they're going about it a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah they seem to be making a big deal out of nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago They have like 3 conversations that are 25 comments deep displaying the same pedantic and confrontational conversational style. No point, just 'you're wrong' wrapped in different toxic packages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) Yeah they seem to be making a big deal out of nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago They have like 3 conversations that are 25 comments deep displaying the same pedantic and confrontational conversational style. No point, just 'you're wrong' wrapped in different toxic packages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago They have like 3 conversations that are 25 comments deep displaying the same pedantic and confrontational conversational style. No point, just 'you're wrong' wrapped in different toxic packages. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] artyom@piefed.social -16 points 8 months ago (15 children) Are you a fucking moron? What's to stop anyone from installing an uncertified product? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] fta@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (3 children) What’s to stop anyone from installing a panel without a licensed reviewer taking a look? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) ...it's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) What's stopping me from plugging a diesel generator into my house when the power goes out? Generators are common in rural America. Don't require a license either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) They require permitting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) How can cars exist when anyone could do an illegal thing to modify them?!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago (6 children) Illegal things are illegal. Good job. This is not. That's the point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. That's the point. What is the point? I mean, truly, what is it that you're trying to convey in this thread? Do us all a favor and use a few sentences to explain that your point actually is here because clearly you're trying to make a point but you're going about it in a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (4 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. Regulated = legal. This is neither. I've already explained my point in great detail, several times. The utility is in the right to be concerned about worker safety when people are legally allowed to connect unpermitted potentially unsafe equipment to the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) What do you think "certifications" are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Are you a fucking moron? No that's you, buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The world is built around the idea that people follow the rules. If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? How many people make Widowmaker cords for generators and back feed the fucking grid during outages? This is not some new problem. If you're found fucking around, you find out with a big ass fine/jail. That's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -5 points 8 months ago If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. Except it's not that simple, because it's not illegal. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? You realize that's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fta@lemmy.zip 6 points 8 months ago (3 children) What’s to stop anyone from installing a panel without a licensed reviewer taking a look? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) ...it's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) What's stopping me from plugging a diesel generator into my house when the power goes out? Generators are common in rural America. Don't require a license either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) They require permitting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) ...it's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) What's stopping me from plugging a diesel generator into my house when the power goes out? Generators are common in rural America. Don't require a license either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) They require permitting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 child) What's stopping me from plugging a diesel generator into my house when the power goes out? Generators are common in rural America. Don't require a license either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) They require permitting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) They require permitting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago (7 children) How can cars exist when anyone could do an illegal thing to modify them?!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago (6 children) Illegal things are illegal. Good job. This is not. That's the point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. That's the point. What is the point? I mean, truly, what is it that you're trying to convey in this thread? Do us all a favor and use a few sentences to explain that your point actually is here because clearly you're trying to make a point but you're going about it in a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (4 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. Regulated = legal. This is neither. I've already explained my point in great detail, several times. The utility is in the right to be concerned about worker safety when people are legally allowed to connect unpermitted potentially unsafe equipment to the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) What do you think "certifications" are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago (6 children) Illegal things are illegal. Good job. This is not. That's the point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. That's the point. What is the point? I mean, truly, what is it that you're trying to convey in this thread? Do us all a favor and use a few sentences to explain that your point actually is here because clearly you're trying to make a point but you're going about it in a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (4 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. Regulated = legal. This is neither. I've already explained my point in great detail, several times. The utility is in the right to be concerned about worker safety when people are legally allowed to connect unpermitted potentially unsafe equipment to the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) What do you think "certifications" are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (5 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. That's the point. What is the point? I mean, truly, what is it that you're trying to convey in this thread? Do us all a favor and use a few sentences to explain that your point actually is here because clearly you're trying to make a point but you're going about it in a very strange way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (4 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. Regulated = legal. This is neither. I've already explained my point in great detail, several times. The utility is in the right to be concerned about worker safety when people are legally allowed to connect unpermitted potentially unsafe equipment to the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) What do you think "certifications" are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago* (4 children) And things that are regulated are regulated. Regulated = legal. This is neither. I've already explained my point in great detail, several times. The utility is in the right to be concerned about worker safety when people are legally allowed to connect unpermitted potentially unsafe equipment to the grid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) What do you think "certifications" are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) What do you think "certifications" are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -3 points 8 months ago* (2 children) What does that have to do with this conversation? We've already established that no one is ensuring the connected equipment has any sort of certification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) Where did anyone establish that? Maybe you should reread the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something? Such a bizarre way to try to make a point. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. I regret even engaging in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -4 points 8 months ago the thread then because others have explained to you that they're certified. Maybe you should reread the comment you just replied to where I explained that no one is verifying that the installed equipment is certified. Are you just trying to get your comment count or something ...why would anyone do that? I'm just trying to have a rational conversation. Not to mention, you're being a major asshole to people for no reason. It's not for no reason, it's because people are being assholes to me first, seemingly out of frustration for not being able to grasp simple concepts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago Are you a fucking moron? No that's you, buddy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The world is built around the idea that people follow the rules. If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? How many people make Widowmaker cords for generators and back feed the fucking grid during outages? This is not some new problem. If you're found fucking around, you find out with a big ass fine/jail. That's how it works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artyom@piefed.social -5 points 8 months ago If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. Except it's not that simple, because it's not illegal. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? You realize that's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artyom@piefed.social -5 points 8 months ago If you plug in an uncertified device, you are breaking the law. It's as simple as that. Except it's not that simple, because it's not illegal. You realize you could fucking plug ANYTHING into electrical systems now? You realize that's illegal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) By now over 1.2 million people in Germany have registered (and even more have not registered) their legal small scale solar system and are producing their own electricity (mine covers 2/3rds of my total demand). If you think that's a problem, be my guest. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] artyom@piefed.social -8 points 8 months ago I don't know if it's a problem or not. Do you? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] artyom@piefed.social -8 points 8 months ago I don't know if it's a problem or not. Do you? permalink fedilink source parent