I saw some posts about american wanting to move to Europe; so just before you guys make the move, double-triple check insurances/banks, because literally every time I (not american) do smth financially related in France, they ask me if I am american? If yes, they won't even open accounts/ give me insurance etc.. Sounds discriminatory but apperently because legal

I dont know if that expands to any other field

EDIT: lol i am now wondering what are people are downvoting for? You dont like that fact, so you downvote whoever told you that fact? Some reactions are hilarious

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[+] -110 points 8 months ago (26 children)

Citizenship isn't free. You don't get to have your cake and eat it, too.

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  • [–] 110 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Funny, because it's free everywhere else. Sounds like a bit of a shithole country.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    Wait, is there actually countries out there where you don't pay taxes?

    I'm guessing they must run off a very heavy business tax because the money has to come from somewhere in order for the government to be able to operate.

    Or is it the gov just says "this will happen" and always has a blank check with no requirement to repay.

    Don't misunderstand my comment. I think it's ridiculous for a country to expect you to pay taxes without living there. But like, taxes would be your citizenship burden

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  • [–] 60 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    If you renounce your citizenship the US government still expects you to pay taxes for the next 10 fucking years. Do you think that sounds reasonable too?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I'm wondering how the fuck are they even gonna know you paid them or not. If I am living in Germany, with a German employer, why the fuck are they telling the US what my wages are?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Because otherwise none of their customers will be able to do business with the US. They would like their customers to be able to do business with the US, so their only options are to either follow reporting rules for US Persons, or avoid having US Persons as customer. It sucks, but it's the US government forcing this on everybody, and because of the economic dominance of the US, the rest of the world has no choice but to comply.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago

    This isn't about Americans' obligation to pay. It's about hassle being forced upon foreign companies that have fuck-all to do with America (except for having American expat customers), to make them help collect the taxes on the US' behalf.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    In other countries, you pay taxes if you actually live there. If I move to Spain and live there for enough days per year, my taxes go to Spain, not Estonia.

    The US system I believe means you get double taxed if you live and work elsewhere, although I'm not 100% sure.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I think you can usually deduct the taxes you pay elsewhere, but you will still have to file your taxes, which is apparently a rather painful process in the US.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Wow, I've never seen a post get a whole 100 downvotes before. This is a special moment for me.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Off topic but I hate that that phrase is backwards. If you have a cake you can eat that cake or you're in the process of eating it ("having cake"). If you eat a cake you can't then have it other than having it in your belly.

    I know I'm being pedantic and off topic, but you're getting downvote to hell so what's it matter?

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