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[–] 106 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

The US praised the Nazis for killing the communists. They supported their "cause" riiiiight up until they started attacking western Europe AKA the countries that actually matter.

The US also hired tons of Nazi "scientists," including granting them immunity for their roles in the Holocaust. They also granted the head of Unit 731 immunity (specifically from the USSR who rightly wanted him executed) in exchange for the human experimentation data. NATO coincidentally also has a ton of Nazis in its leadership.

The US went as far as installing prominent Nazi figures back into West Germany in the same way they let confederates go back to their lives after the civil war. Whereas the Soviets executed Nazi leaders in East Germany because that's what they fucking deserve. The US then claimed that the executed Nazis were victims of communism and included them in their "communism death toll" numbers.

This isn't an error. The US has always been sympathetic to Nazis, before, during, and after the war. They only begrudgingly pitched in against them because they viewed western Europe as slightly more important.

Finally, the US didn't even fucking do that much. Certainly nowhere near enough to justify their claim that they "saved the world" in WWII. The USSR and UK each did far more yet the US seems to think the USSR was fighting for the Nazis and the UK was a scared poodle hiding in their island until the heroic Americans came to save them, when in reality, the tide had already turned against the Nazis by the time the US joined. They also nuked Japan just because they could, it had nothing to do with the war because they already had intelligence that Japan was about to surrender.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The only Nazi rally held outside of Nazi Germany (in the 20th century) was held in the US.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    The Nazi eugenics program was also strongly inspired by what the US was doing at the time.

    It's just that the Nazi went a bit too far, too obvious (and mainly they lost the war). It was one of the arguments of the defense in the Nuremberg trial that the German eugenics differed little from what was practiced in the US.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    They also granted the head of Unit 731 immunity (specifically from the USSR who rightly wanted him executed) in exchange for the human experimentation data.

    "Experimentation" data that was entirely useless, if I remember correctly.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago*

    I know, see Operation Paperclip and I also know that the end of the nazi Germany is mainly thanks to Rusia and allies, US entered when the main task was already done. Without the French and British resistance, USA couldn't even have managed to enter Germany.

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  • [+] 20 points 1 year ago (16 children)
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    Oh, it wasn't because of the fanatical dedication of the Japanese armed forces that were so dug in it would have taken years and cost thousands of American lives to defeat them, island by island? It was because they didn't want the Russians to hog all the glory? Never heard that one before

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    the first bomb was dropped on 6 August, the Soviet Union declared war on the 8th. But contrary to American expectations and post-war claims, the author’s diligent research in the Japanese sources demonstrates conclusively that it was the Soviet declaration of war, not the atomic bombs, that forced the Japanese to surrender unconditionally.

    Geoffrey Jukes review Racing the enemy: Stalin, Truman, and the surrender of Japan by Tsuyoshi Hasegawa

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (13 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I'm anti-tankie as the next guy. But pick up a history book. Soviet Russia did a huge amount of the work during WW2.

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    I didn't say I was anti-marxist. I'm anti-authoritarian. In all it's forms.

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Oh really? My bad. I've always heard it used specifically to talk about corrupted implementations of Marxism. E.g. Animal Farm.

    Err, maybe I'm confusing Marxism and socialism.

    I'm still not exactly clear on how any of it avoids corruption. At the end of the day, somebody decides whose street gets paved first.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    No, you’re not wrong. They’re muddying meaning of the word “tankie.”

    “Tankie” does not mean “commie.” Not all commies are tankies.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    That is reductionist and overly simplistic. Just because they are all pejorative does not mean their meaning is identical. Not all communists are “tankies.”

    (But I know very well we need to agree to disagree on this, because I don’t think there’s any value in trying to convince you.)

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    Spell out your point or shutup, stop being cryptic

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Explain the US love affair with Israel then.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Zionism is the one thing where anti-semites and Jews (at least zionist Jews) agree.

    Zionist Jews want it because it gives them their own country where they are not persecuted.

    Anti-semites want it, because it means that the Jews are not in their country.

    That's why even the literal Nazis supported zionism. Every Jew in Israel was one less Jew in Germany.

    You get the same thing still today with the most right-wing politicians supporting Zionism/Israel. On the one hand because it's a way to keep Jews far away and on the other hand because it can be used as a "I'm supporting Israel, so surely I can't be a Nazi. Anyway, let's go shoot some Muslims."-kind of excuse.

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