California Attorney General Rob Bonta last night filed a request for a preliminary injunction in California’s existing case against Amazon for price fixing. Attorney General Bonta’s 2022 lawsuit alleged that the company stifled competition and caused increased prices across California through its anticompetitive policies in order to avoid competing on price with other retailers. New evidence paints a clearer and more shocking picture. The motion for a preliminary injunction comes after a robust discovery process where California uncovered evidence of countless interactions in which Amazon, vendors, and Amazon’s competitors agree to increase and fix the prices of products on other retail websites to bolster Amazon’s profits. Time and again, across years and product categories, Amazon has reached out to its vendors and instructed them to increase retail prices on competitors’ websites, threatening dire consequences if vendors do not comply. Vendors, bullied by Amazon’s overwhelming bargaining leverage and fearing punishment, comply — agreeing to raise prices on competitors’ websites (often with the awareness and cooperation of the competing retailer), or to remove products from competing websites altogether. Amazon’s goal is to insulate itself from price competition by preventing lower retail prices in the market at the expense of American consumers who are already struggling with a crisis of affordability.

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[–] 36 points 8 months ago (57 children)

I've been telling people to stop supporting amazon for years, but everyone seems to have their reason to keep supporting them. This hopefully will be a good enough reason for people to finally stop shopping on amazon.

I haven't bought anything from amazon in over 12 years. I find everything on the manufacturer's website or eBay. No need to ever use amazon for anything.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    I've found the Shop App to be a good alternative along with eBay. Shop App is basically a search engine for retailers who use Shopify, which is a ton of them. From my research it seems to be generally better for retailers.

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  • [+] 9 points 8 months ago* (18 children)
  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    Your point is valid and definitely a concern.

    But how are people so basic.

    You hate Amazon, but just have to have your caramel syrup? Doesn't really sound like hate.

    Sounds more like you do not want to have to make sacrifices to the things you like.

    Wonder why bad things continue to happen.

    I use Amazon too. Not trying to be too judgy, but come on. Accept some personal responsibility for your actions.

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  • [+] 9 points 8 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Oh gosh. Great 6 paragraph essay countering made up points I wasn't making.

    Choosing Amazon for a dr recommended medicine is definitely the same as choosing it for your coffee flavoring.

    Nevermind the part where I said I also use Amazon.

    My point is unless you are under duress, you are responsible for your actions.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (1 child)

    But how are people so basic.

    I would like a thing. All retail commerce has been monopolized by a handful of big box storefronts. One of those storefronts sucks marginally less than the others, such that I can actually find what I want to buy and expect it to be delivered in a timely fashion.

    But I shouldn't shop there because... ???

    Wonder why bad things continue to happen.

    Damn, so true. We should never have quit shopping at Target Walmart Sears Woolworths. Now we live in Capitalist Hell and its all our own fault.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    $1000 says you're, at best, a college kid. Probably a teenager.

    Why? People with actual life experience in this shitty system don't make the personal responsibility argument because they've lived enough to know that's bullshit.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Companies like Amazon can't exist if people don't buy from them. The fact that you think people have to buy from them is the problem.

    No one has to spend their money with Amazon. There's always going to be a personal responsibility aspect when people willingly do something they know is wrong.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I do. It's just the claim that people aren't personally responsible for where they choose to spend their money is preposterous.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    What, taking responsibility for your choices?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Bro, I'm not denigrating anyone for spending money on Amazon. I'm guilty of forgetting the moral and ethical implications for a short term dopamine rush too.

    But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking I had to spend money with them.

    My problem is with people using flimsy excuses trying to assuage their guilt for doing something they knew was wrong.

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  • [+] 2 points 8 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    We're not talking about Facebook. We're talking about buying things.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I was going on buy some jack stands for my car and saw the exact same models from harbor freight or auto zone on Amazon. Even if you're not trying to support Amazon, you can't escape the slop products.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Amazon, in many cases, is not the seller. They are simply an online market. The reason you see the same products across multiple websites is because it is the same product. Doesn’t really have anything to do with shitty products although that’s what a lot of people do. They take advantage of Amazon’s monopoly on the market and sell products for hundreds if not thousands of dollars % mark ups. The reason it’s still cheaper on Amazon is because of the aforementioned price fixing.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago*

    Hey pal, do not use shit stores for car work. You are endangering your life. Please get a proper jack from Napa or at least northern tool or something. Harbor freight is for pry bars and shit, not life saving equipment.

    Get a carlyle Jack as well. Affordable and lasts a lifetime. Dont skimp.on anything holding a car or an engine. I don't care how poor you are. You will get hurt.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (30 children)

    Okay. Here's my story. I have been looking for a 4K 32 to 43 inch monitor for my PC. TV or monitor, I just wanted 4k 120hz minimum. Didn't really care about IPS or VA panels. Both have their pro's and con's.

    So I ended up getting a Philips Google TV 43" 4K Gaming TV with native 144Hz refresh rate. The asking price from Amazon was 450 CAD. everywhere I looked online It was 50 bucks more OR they were the same price, but charged 50 bucks in shipping.

    THAT'S why I use Amazon. IF I can find it cheaper elsewhere, I'll buy it somewhere else. For me price is everything since I'm on a fixed income.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (20 children)

    You're not alone in that. A lot of people's care for ethics ends where a good deal begins.

    What you should know is that these companies offer these good deals for a variety of reasons, but usually involving shady or borderline illegal business practices in one way or another.

    I understand you're on a fixed income - I sympathize with that and I don't want to be rude to a stranger - but is the deal on a particular item you want worth the cost of endorsing what these companies do and stand for?

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (19 children)

    That 50 bucks means I only eat rice for a week. I've done it before, but I do not enjoy it.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    $50 is the difference between having to eat only rice for a week, but you absolutely NEED a gaming monitor thats 32-43 inches with 4K resolution and 120hz refresh rate?

    The only person your justifying your continued use of amazon to is yourself, and you're doing a poor job.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    More power to you I guess. Hogs love rolling in shit.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    I'm not the one acting like a martyr because not buying my 4K 43 inch 120hz monitor from Amazon would mean I'd starve and die from having to eat rice for a week lmao.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    I don't think I'm expressing myself clearly. I understand the fixed income part and what 50 bucks can do to a person's living situation. No issue there.

    On the front end of your decision, you're starting with "I need X with Y and Z". None of these variables are negotiable? The "need" isn't negotiable? Or are they not as negotiable as the care for the company's awful business practices?

    The systemic issues are the primary concern, but it is worth thinking about and examining within ourselves. We are ill-equipped to make informed decisions prior to every purchase. However, once we know how a particular purchase supports degrading the world around us, where is the line we won't cross for a good deal?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    That's needlessly insulting after I've been nothing but cordial with you. Me bringing up things that bring you discomfort to think about doesn't mean I'm the bad guy here. Have a nice day, and enjoy your TV.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Are you here for discussion or just to make quips?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Clearly the latter. Don’t let this sour guy dampen your willingness to engage meaningfully on this platform!

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I won't let it get to me. I insist on trying to get people to question themselves and the world around them.

    And to the point of the insult: I'm not on a high horse, as there is no perfectly ethical consumption under our current situation. I give money to companies who I can't say are operating ethically. But we need to approach that and discuss that to develop our consciousness as a class. The "it was a good deal and I'm completely removed from it" is a thought-terminating sentiment that barricades us from developing our understanding of the world around us.

    To their credit: there are a lot of people insulting them. Their brain views this entire thread as adversarial now. I forgive them, as they are me and I am you. Solidarity always.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Aren't most people on a fixed income?
    Is such a TV... necessary?
    Have you considered saving some for a few months and then buy the TV?

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    What do you think I've been doing? That took me four months.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    There are a lot of people online who think that 100% abstinence from The Bad is the only way to be good.

    But if you can shift 10% of your former Amazon spending, do it. And keep looking for a way to get to 15%, then 20%, and so on.

    Like, I'm probably never going to be a strict vegetarian. I love a good burger, or a nicely-cooked steak, or a big bowl of chicken and dumplings. But I eat vegetarian for more than 75% of my meals. And that's good enough for me.

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