The Senate has passed a bill making Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) the U.S.'s largest interior law enforcement agency with funding for Donald Trump's immigration enforcement agenda higher than most of the world's militaries, including Israel's.

Pending its passage in the House of Representatives, Trump's bill could mean a massive increase in ICE funding as part of an immigration enforcement agenda worth $150 billion over four years.

This figure is more than the annual military budget of Italy, which at $30.8 billion, is the world's 16th highest defense spender for this year according to tracker Global Fire Power.

It is also higher than military spending for Israel, ($30 billion), the Netherlands ($27 billion) and Brazil ($26.1 billion).

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[+] 122 points 1 year ago (72 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Too late for that now..they'll just take all your money, house, claim you're not a citizen, force you to work for 1/256th of that you earn now and keep the bribe from companies that bought you.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (47 children)

    Leave the US. If you have expertise you'll be easily welcomed into most countries, if not, there is are a lot of countries you can still move to that are not police states. Either way you'll stop paying/supporting and supporting US fascism with your work. The immigrants your government is so eager to deport have been through worse.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Tyranny has taken over - staying is a choice to live in fascism. Fascism does not die from within, it does a slow death from being excommunicated from the world or it dies a quick death as the world responds to it's expansionist tendencies. It does not die because people stop voting for it.

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  • [+] 40 points 1 year ago (17 children)
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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Sure. We'll just start walking from the American continents to... Well, fuck

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was gonna say that you can't just row across the ocean, but apparently you can.

    If you gain the sponsoring for an ocean rowboat, you can then secure sponsorship for the 3-4 months-worth of food since restaurants and gardens are hard to come by in the ocean. I understand that fish live in the ocean, but fishing eats into your 17 hours per day during which you'll need to row. Also, trying to handle fish on the open ocean in a small boat is an incredibly risky maneuver. Even worse, once you catch the fish, you gotta set your boat on fire so that you can cook it and not get parasites.

    All told, it's significantly cheaper to just fly, but that's unhelpful advice to someone who just told you that they can't afford to uproot their life and fly to another country. You might ask, how can you not afford that, and the problem is that hiking across countries smaller than my state gives you opportunities to work odd jobs in exchange for shelter, food, and money. But since planes and airports generally don't hire random passengers, it puts you back in that "I'm fucked" boat that you suggested.

    Also, all this is giving your unserious comment the credence that you weren't talking about taking a gondola ride across the Atlantic.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No.

    Literally most fly in, and then just say they are here to visit, then stay.

    Your understanding of modern immigration is similar to what you see on Fox News.

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  • [+] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Absolutely not true. If you want anything to do with US banking, social security, Embassy services, you better pay up. And every bank you open abroad is literally required to disclose to the IRS that you have a bank account with them. Source: I live abroad.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Until you acquire a new citizenship and renounce your US citizenship, the US government affects everything you do, regardless of where you are. Just leaving with no intention of returning does nothing. Source: me

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You only have to pay them if you move back to the US

    Specifically if you're a contractor simply working abroad. If you don't actually reside in the US and you earn foreign income /pay taxes for a year, you're not going to owe anything.

    That said, if you travel overseas for three months on contract, earn a ton of money, and come home to spend it, you have to report that in the US minus taxes payed abroad.

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  • This is true but you’re only taxed by the US if the country in which you live isn’t taxing you higher already. So if you move to a gulf Arab state with no income tax yes. But most places in Europe? You won’t have to pay US tax since domestic tax will be higher.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There are too few places to escape to in modern society, given the rise of authoritarian globally. I was planning on Germany until the Russia/Ukraine conflict. Now I find it more prudent to stay in the U.S. and relocate to a low population area. For the handful of dense urban environments in the U.S. there are far more wide open spaces with no people.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It’s all relative. It’d be just as easy to argue the head in the sand argument at an American who thinks they’re just gonna pack up to a random city in Europe and avoid the consequences of what’s happening globally. I understand we’re all just trying to feel like we have agency over our own lives and don’t exist at the whim of a handful of billionaires, so to each their own.

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  • The US is a bit special. It is the only state to require its citizens pay taxes to it on (regular) earnings abroad. Other places only tax earnings made inside their own borders.

    So to truly be off the hook for American taxes as a non-elite, you'll have to renounce your citizenship.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I left earlier this year. I'm a tan skinned Latina trans woman immigrant, basically their #1 target. I'm still absolutely terrified for my friends and family.

    I truly hate that I'm still chained to the US via my citizenship. A part of me hopes they denaturalize me so I don't have to pay them shit.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Then your government will acquire yet more debt. And if everything crumbles down for them, there will be your offspring paying for that debt and their taxes for generations.

    I don't know what's worse, honestly. I just know everyone needs to fight back and resist, and they'll get exhausted fighting everywhere in the world. But it they don't have to fight, they'll just keep doing their shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    The government can just print money, they don't actually strictly need your taxes (see MMT). The only actual path is withholding labour and mass protests (with at least a credible threat of violent escalations).

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Leaving would make it worse. Every single person who wants to leave as a result of this is the opposition. Without us, they have free reign.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Printing money is how you get hyperinflation. You cant just print money without it flooding the market. If you do that too often, the money becomes worthless.

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