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[+] bioluminescence@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 8 months ago (55 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 55 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 51 points 8 months ago (41 children) Nothing changes for now but other moves by Google clearly show they are trying to kill 3rd party ROMs by locking down Android's code. In my opinion, unless EU steps in and mandates phone manufacturers and Google to support google free apps we're fucked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 41 child comments replies: [–] lbfgs@programming.dev 32 points 8 months ago (13 children) EU wants phones to be locked down so they can then make Google implement mass surveillance for "national security" reasons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (11 children) Chat control is an issue tbough why ignore it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (6 children) It likely is not their only grievance as other things exist like porn blocking, ID implementations and VPN discussions. Also chat control is reviewing private conversations. It is a provacy breach. There is no circumstance where this is not abusable. Here are some truths to how the law is presented: 1: nothing can be seen, only if certain pre registered files are recognised 2: politicians, military and associated personnel are exempted. Meaning it can see more than nothing or else it is acceptable for these people to possess these materials. It is also able to controlled a granular level person to person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -3 points 8 months ago (5 children) Porn blocking? In EU? I heard about it only in UK. Which EU countries block porn? ID implementation... yes, all EU countries have ID. Many have digital IDs. What's with it? VPN discussion isn't really proof of anything. Even Chat Control 2.0 isn't approved yet, it's just a project. VPN blocking is not even a proposal. It just someone mentioned in some report. Hardly a reason to claim that EU is becoming a surveillance state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you sit and wait to be impacted by something before you consider forming an opinion on it andk maybe acting? IDs and digital IDs are not the same as the discussion surrounding online identification legislation. One is state ID that is pretty common. The other is tech companies gettimg a data harvesting opportunity. I didnt make the claim, but there is ample evidence to support it from where I sit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) Act if you want to, no one is stopping you. For me it's just silly that people talk about EU becoming surveillance state without being able to show a single valid example. Like when you said EU is blocking porn and VPN access. I'm still waiting for examples where it was done inside EU. Then everyone claims digital IDs are evil without realizing they have been used without issues in EU for 20 years. It's like saying that EU will become a military dictatorship because countries have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) You live under a rock my friend. Look at history. Look at the anology of how a frog will not jump out of boiling water if the temperature is slowly increased. They are slowly increasing the temperature, and chat control is a big step for them. If you cannot see that then there is no hope for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Repeating some scary conspiracy theories you read about online doesn't make you informed. It makes you naive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago Everyone has an agenda, it would do you well in life to understand that permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 21 points 8 months ago (22 children) The EU has no interest in allowing privacy on devices, since it is increasingly attempting to control alternative narratives. We're in touching distance of the Fourth Reich now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 12 points 8 months ago (20 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 months ago (19 children) This describes the EU, in a nutshell https://theuaob.substack.com/p/the-comprador-calculus-why-europes The fascists have already won. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago* (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 6 points 8 months ago (10 children) Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don't seem to control the EU yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 8 months ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, Capable and seen in the past, yes, but the current wave of it is indeed funded and spread by Russians and Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence. Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind. The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree. The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for. Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [+] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (5 children) The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history. You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 5 points 8 months ago Would not be sure about that. There has been steps in opposite directions in the past. Remember the regulation regarding 3. party app Stores on IOS, or even further back in the past the "Free Brwoser Choice" in MS-Windows. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It is surely called competition law? permalink fedilink source parent [–] maximumbird@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) I'm dumb But using grapheneos How would them locking down the code affect graphene? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago Graphen is based on AOSP - Android Open Source Project. As the name implies, that's the part of Android that's Open Source. Google publishes this code, Graphene OS people modify it and release. All bugfixes, security fixes and new features go there. Google first stopped accepting contributions from other devs and now they are limiting how often will they release AOSP and how often will they publish security fixes. This makes development of Graphene OS more difficult and it looks like Google's ultimate goal is to make Android closed source. Graphene OS doesn't have the resources to develop Android by themselves so this would probably kill the project. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zhkent@lemmy.today 1 point 8 months ago Some apps require google play, like android auto and maps. I'm using grapheneos with open street maps, so I don't think there would be any problem with that. There is a work around to load some apps that require google play with out a google account. I'm guessing that is what would be affected. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children) While it does not affect them directly, it is unlikely most app developers will give significant effort to only support a small percentage of Android users running custom ROMs. So while GrapheneOS users will be able to install apps, there will likely not be that many apps to install. Edit: What I mean is that most applications will have to choose to either agree to google terms and identify themselves, or develop only for custom ROMs, or stop developing altogether. And I don't think many will choose the 2nd option. Also, 1st option may not be available if google does not like your app. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] i078@europe.pub 17 points 8 months ago The european movement away from american stuff however is increasing, I’m hopeful that Jolla, Fairphone and the ROM world will actually increase in importance and numbers permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 points 8 months ago (2 children) It's the other way around. GrapheneOS users will be able to install all the apps but stock Android users will not be able to install apps from F-Droid and other alternative sources*. F-Droid will lose access to about 99% of the market. *Technically it will still be possible for open source devs to distribute apps to stock Android users but it will require handing Google your personal information and setting up way more complicated build configuration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Please see the edit with clarification, since I guess I wrote it poorly and multiple commenters did not get my point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* Yeah, uh, no alarm bells in the market watchdogs? None at all? permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 5 points 8 months ago (6 children) I'm writing this on a GOS Pixel tablet with only free/libre installation sources. There are quite enough applications to install. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (5 children) Please see edit of my comment. Since it seems my point did not get across, I elaborated. Of course there are plenty right now since there are no barriers yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* (4 children) GrapheneOS is not limited by Google, as long as the bootloader is unlockable and Google contnues releasing the sources. Longterm, the GOS project needs to support alternative hardware platforms. There are Linux tablets, so if Android is dead open source developers will support these. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) I think the problem is your second assumption of "will continue releasing sources" is the one to fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Hence, a new OEM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The OEM makes the hardware tho. How does that help if Google stops releasing the Android source code? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago If Google goes closed source and nobody sustainably forks Android we can go back to Linux. This should bring tablet (don't care for phones) support to genuine usability rather soon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago It means they fork and they're going to need funding to keep up with security work at least. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 51 points 8 months ago (41 children) Nothing changes for now but other moves by Google clearly show they are trying to kill 3rd party ROMs by locking down Android's code. In my opinion, unless EU steps in and mandates phone manufacturers and Google to support google free apps we're fucked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 41 child comments replies: [–] lbfgs@programming.dev 32 points 8 months ago (13 children) EU wants phones to be locked down so they can then make Google implement mass surveillance for "national security" reasons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (11 children) Chat control is an issue tbough why ignore it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (6 children) It likely is not their only grievance as other things exist like porn blocking, ID implementations and VPN discussions. Also chat control is reviewing private conversations. It is a provacy breach. There is no circumstance where this is not abusable. Here are some truths to how the law is presented: 1: nothing can be seen, only if certain pre registered files are recognised 2: politicians, military and associated personnel are exempted. Meaning it can see more than nothing or else it is acceptable for these people to possess these materials. It is also able to controlled a granular level person to person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -3 points 8 months ago (5 children) Porn blocking? In EU? I heard about it only in UK. Which EU countries block porn? ID implementation... yes, all EU countries have ID. Many have digital IDs. What's with it? VPN discussion isn't really proof of anything. Even Chat Control 2.0 isn't approved yet, it's just a project. VPN blocking is not even a proposal. It just someone mentioned in some report. Hardly a reason to claim that EU is becoming a surveillance state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you sit and wait to be impacted by something before you consider forming an opinion on it andk maybe acting? IDs and digital IDs are not the same as the discussion surrounding online identification legislation. One is state ID that is pretty common. The other is tech companies gettimg a data harvesting opportunity. I didnt make the claim, but there is ample evidence to support it from where I sit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) Act if you want to, no one is stopping you. For me it's just silly that people talk about EU becoming surveillance state without being able to show a single valid example. Like when you said EU is blocking porn and VPN access. I'm still waiting for examples where it was done inside EU. Then everyone claims digital IDs are evil without realizing they have been used without issues in EU for 20 years. It's like saying that EU will become a military dictatorship because countries have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) You live under a rock my friend. Look at history. Look at the anology of how a frog will not jump out of boiling water if the temperature is slowly increased. They are slowly increasing the temperature, and chat control is a big step for them. If you cannot see that then there is no hope for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Repeating some scary conspiracy theories you read about online doesn't make you informed. It makes you naive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago Everyone has an agenda, it would do you well in life to understand that permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 21 points 8 months ago (22 children) The EU has no interest in allowing privacy on devices, since it is increasingly attempting to control alternative narratives. We're in touching distance of the Fourth Reich now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 12 points 8 months ago (20 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 months ago (19 children) This describes the EU, in a nutshell https://theuaob.substack.com/p/the-comprador-calculus-why-europes The fascists have already won. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago* (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 6 points 8 months ago (10 children) Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don't seem to control the EU yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 8 months ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, Capable and seen in the past, yes, but the current wave of it is indeed funded and spread by Russians and Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence. Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind. The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree. The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for. Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [+] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (5 children) The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history. You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 5 points 8 months ago Would not be sure about that. There has been steps in opposite directions in the past. Remember the regulation regarding 3. party app Stores on IOS, or even further back in the past the "Free Brwoser Choice" in MS-Windows. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It is surely called competition law? permalink fedilink source parent [–] maximumbird@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) I'm dumb But using grapheneos How would them locking down the code affect graphene? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago Graphen is based on AOSP - Android Open Source Project. As the name implies, that's the part of Android that's Open Source. Google publishes this code, Graphene OS people modify it and release. All bugfixes, security fixes and new features go there. Google first stopped accepting contributions from other devs and now they are limiting how often will they release AOSP and how often will they publish security fixes. This makes development of Graphene OS more difficult and it looks like Google's ultimate goal is to make Android closed source. Graphene OS doesn't have the resources to develop Android by themselves so this would probably kill the project. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zhkent@lemmy.today 1 point 8 months ago Some apps require google play, like android auto and maps. I'm using grapheneos with open street maps, so I don't think there would be any problem with that. There is a work around to load some apps that require google play with out a google account. I'm guessing that is what would be affected. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lbfgs@programming.dev 32 points 8 months ago (13 children) EU wants phones to be locked down so they can then make Google implement mass surveillance for "national security" reasons permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (11 children) Chat control is an issue tbough why ignore it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (6 children) It likely is not their only grievance as other things exist like porn blocking, ID implementations and VPN discussions. Also chat control is reviewing private conversations. It is a provacy breach. There is no circumstance where this is not abusable. Here are some truths to how the law is presented: 1: nothing can be seen, only if certain pre registered files are recognised 2: politicians, military and associated personnel are exempted. Meaning it can see more than nothing or else it is acceptable for these people to possess these materials. It is also able to controlled a granular level person to person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -3 points 8 months ago (5 children) Porn blocking? In EU? I heard about it only in UK. Which EU countries block porn? ID implementation... yes, all EU countries have ID. Many have digital IDs. What's with it? VPN discussion isn't really proof of anything. Even Chat Control 2.0 isn't approved yet, it's just a project. VPN blocking is not even a proposal. It just someone mentioned in some report. Hardly a reason to claim that EU is becoming a surveillance state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you sit and wait to be impacted by something before you consider forming an opinion on it andk maybe acting? IDs and digital IDs are not the same as the discussion surrounding online identification legislation. One is state ID that is pretty common. The other is tech companies gettimg a data harvesting opportunity. I didnt make the claim, but there is ample evidence to support it from where I sit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) Act if you want to, no one is stopping you. For me it's just silly that people talk about EU becoming surveillance state without being able to show a single valid example. Like when you said EU is blocking porn and VPN access. I'm still waiting for examples where it was done inside EU. Then everyone claims digital IDs are evil without realizing they have been used without issues in EU for 20 years. It's like saying that EU will become a military dictatorship because countries have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) You live under a rock my friend. Look at history. Look at the anology of how a frog will not jump out of boiling water if the temperature is slowly increased. They are slowly increasing the temperature, and chat control is a big step for them. If you cannot see that then there is no hope for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Repeating some scary conspiracy theories you read about online doesn't make you informed. It makes you naive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago Everyone has an agenda, it would do you well in life to understand that permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (11 children) Chat control is an issue tbough why ignore it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (6 children) It likely is not their only grievance as other things exist like porn blocking, ID implementations and VPN discussions. Also chat control is reviewing private conversations. It is a provacy breach. There is no circumstance where this is not abusable. Here are some truths to how the law is presented: 1: nothing can be seen, only if certain pre registered files are recognised 2: politicians, military and associated personnel are exempted. Meaning it can see more than nothing or else it is acceptable for these people to possess these materials. It is also able to controlled a granular level person to person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -3 points 8 months ago (5 children) Porn blocking? In EU? I heard about it only in UK. Which EU countries block porn? ID implementation... yes, all EU countries have ID. Many have digital IDs. What's with it? VPN discussion isn't really proof of anything. Even Chat Control 2.0 isn't approved yet, it's just a project. VPN blocking is not even a proposal. It just someone mentioned in some report. Hardly a reason to claim that EU is becoming a surveillance state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you sit and wait to be impacted by something before you consider forming an opinion on it andk maybe acting? IDs and digital IDs are not the same as the discussion surrounding online identification legislation. One is state ID that is pretty common. The other is tech companies gettimg a data harvesting opportunity. I didnt make the claim, but there is ample evidence to support it from where I sit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) Act if you want to, no one is stopping you. For me it's just silly that people talk about EU becoming surveillance state without being able to show a single valid example. Like when you said EU is blocking porn and VPN access. I'm still waiting for examples where it was done inside EU. Then everyone claims digital IDs are evil without realizing they have been used without issues in EU for 20 years. It's like saying that EU will become a military dictatorship because countries have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) You live under a rock my friend. Look at history. Look at the anology of how a frog will not jump out of boiling water if the temperature is slowly increased. They are slowly increasing the temperature, and chat control is a big step for them. If you cannot see that then there is no hope for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Repeating some scary conspiracy theories you read about online doesn't make you informed. It makes you naive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago Everyone has an agenda, it would do you well in life to understand that permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (11 children) Chat control is an issue tbough why ignore it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (6 children) It likely is not their only grievance as other things exist like porn blocking, ID implementations and VPN discussions. Also chat control is reviewing private conversations. It is a provacy breach. There is no circumstance where this is not abusable. Here are some truths to how the law is presented: 1: nothing can be seen, only if certain pre registered files are recognised 2: politicians, military and associated personnel are exempted. Meaning it can see more than nothing or else it is acceptable for these people to possess these materials. It is also able to controlled a granular level person to person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -3 points 8 months ago (5 children) Porn blocking? In EU? I heard about it only in UK. Which EU countries block porn? ID implementation... yes, all EU countries have ID. Many have digital IDs. What's with it? VPN discussion isn't really proof of anything. Even Chat Control 2.0 isn't approved yet, it's just a project. VPN blocking is not even a proposal. It just someone mentioned in some report. Hardly a reason to claim that EU is becoming a surveillance state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you sit and wait to be impacted by something before you consider forming an opinion on it andk maybe acting? IDs and digital IDs are not the same as the discussion surrounding online identification legislation. One is state ID that is pretty common. The other is tech companies gettimg a data harvesting opportunity. I didnt make the claim, but there is ample evidence to support it from where I sit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) Act if you want to, no one is stopping you. For me it's just silly that people talk about EU becoming surveillance state without being able to show a single valid example. Like when you said EU is blocking porn and VPN access. I'm still waiting for examples where it was done inside EU. Then everyone claims digital IDs are evil without realizing they have been used without issues in EU for 20 years. It's like saying that EU will become a military dictatorship because countries have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) You live under a rock my friend. Look at history. Look at the anology of how a frog will not jump out of boiling water if the temperature is slowly increased. They are slowly increasing the temperature, and chat control is a big step for them. If you cannot see that then there is no hope for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Repeating some scary conspiracy theories you read about online doesn't make you informed. It makes you naive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago Everyone has an agenda, it would do you well in life to understand that permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (6 children) It likely is not their only grievance as other things exist like porn blocking, ID implementations and VPN discussions. Also chat control is reviewing private conversations. It is a provacy breach. There is no circumstance where this is not abusable. Here are some truths to how the law is presented: 1: nothing can be seen, only if certain pre registered files are recognised 2: politicians, military and associated personnel are exempted. Meaning it can see more than nothing or else it is acceptable for these people to possess these materials. It is also able to controlled a granular level person to person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -3 points 8 months ago (5 children) Porn blocking? In EU? I heard about it only in UK. Which EU countries block porn? ID implementation... yes, all EU countries have ID. Many have digital IDs. What's with it? VPN discussion isn't really proof of anything. Even Chat Control 2.0 isn't approved yet, it's just a project. VPN blocking is not even a proposal. It just someone mentioned in some report. Hardly a reason to claim that EU is becoming a surveillance state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you sit and wait to be impacted by something before you consider forming an opinion on it andk maybe acting? IDs and digital IDs are not the same as the discussion surrounding online identification legislation. One is state ID that is pretty common. The other is tech companies gettimg a data harvesting opportunity. I didnt make the claim, but there is ample evidence to support it from where I sit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) Act if you want to, no one is stopping you. For me it's just silly that people talk about EU becoming surveillance state without being able to show a single valid example. Like when you said EU is blocking porn and VPN access. I'm still waiting for examples where it was done inside EU. Then everyone claims digital IDs are evil without realizing they have been used without issues in EU for 20 years. It's like saying that EU will become a military dictatorship because countries have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) You live under a rock my friend. Look at history. Look at the anology of how a frog will not jump out of boiling water if the temperature is slowly increased. They are slowly increasing the temperature, and chat control is a big step for them. If you cannot see that then there is no hope for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Repeating some scary conspiracy theories you read about online doesn't make you informed. It makes you naive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago Everyone has an agenda, it would do you well in life to understand that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (6 children) It likely is not their only grievance as other things exist like porn blocking, ID implementations and VPN discussions. Also chat control is reviewing private conversations. It is a provacy breach. There is no circumstance where this is not abusable. Here are some truths to how the law is presented: 1: nothing can be seen, only if certain pre registered files are recognised 2: politicians, military and associated personnel are exempted. Meaning it can see more than nothing or else it is acceptable for these people to possess these materials. It is also able to controlled a granular level person to person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -3 points 8 months ago (5 children) Porn blocking? In EU? I heard about it only in UK. Which EU countries block porn? ID implementation... yes, all EU countries have ID. Many have digital IDs. What's with it? VPN discussion isn't really proof of anything. Even Chat Control 2.0 isn't approved yet, it's just a project. VPN blocking is not even a proposal. It just someone mentioned in some report. Hardly a reason to claim that EU is becoming a surveillance state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you sit and wait to be impacted by something before you consider forming an opinion on it andk maybe acting? IDs and digital IDs are not the same as the discussion surrounding online identification legislation. One is state ID that is pretty common. The other is tech companies gettimg a data harvesting opportunity. I didnt make the claim, but there is ample evidence to support it from where I sit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) Act if you want to, no one is stopping you. For me it's just silly that people talk about EU becoming surveillance state without being able to show a single valid example. Like when you said EU is blocking porn and VPN access. I'm still waiting for examples where it was done inside EU. Then everyone claims digital IDs are evil without realizing they have been used without issues in EU for 20 years. It's like saying that EU will become a military dictatorship because countries have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -3 points 8 months ago (5 children) Porn blocking? In EU? I heard about it only in UK. Which EU countries block porn? ID implementation... yes, all EU countries have ID. Many have digital IDs. What's with it? VPN discussion isn't really proof of anything. Even Chat Control 2.0 isn't approved yet, it's just a project. VPN blocking is not even a proposal. It just someone mentioned in some report. Hardly a reason to claim that EU is becoming a surveillance state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you sit and wait to be impacted by something before you consider forming an opinion on it andk maybe acting? IDs and digital IDs are not the same as the discussion surrounding online identification legislation. One is state ID that is pretty common. The other is tech companies gettimg a data harvesting opportunity. I didnt make the claim, but there is ample evidence to support it from where I sit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) Act if you want to, no one is stopping you. For me it's just silly that people talk about EU becoming surveillance state without being able to show a single valid example. Like when you said EU is blocking porn and VPN access. I'm still waiting for examples where it was done inside EU. Then everyone claims digital IDs are evil without realizing they have been used without issues in EU for 20 years. It's like saying that EU will become a military dictatorship because countries have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (4 children) Do you sit and wait to be impacted by something before you consider forming an opinion on it andk maybe acting? IDs and digital IDs are not the same as the discussion surrounding online identification legislation. One is state ID that is pretty common. The other is tech companies gettimg a data harvesting opportunity. I didnt make the claim, but there is ample evidence to support it from where I sit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) Act if you want to, no one is stopping you. For me it's just silly that people talk about EU becoming surveillance state without being able to show a single valid example. Like when you said EU is blocking porn and VPN access. I'm still waiting for examples where it was done inside EU. Then everyone claims digital IDs are evil without realizing they have been used without issues in EU for 20 years. It's like saying that EU will become a military dictatorship because countries have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (3 children) Act if you want to, no one is stopping you. For me it's just silly that people talk about EU becoming surveillance state without being able to show a single valid example. Like when you said EU is blocking porn and VPN access. I'm still waiting for examples where it was done inside EU. Then everyone claims digital IDs are evil without realizing they have been used without issues in EU for 20 years. It's like saying that EU will become a military dictatorship because countries have guns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories. Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption. It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories. Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory? Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) You live under a rock my friend. Look at history. Look at the anology of how a frog will not jump out of boiling water if the temperature is slowly increased. They are slowly increasing the temperature, and chat control is a big step for them. If you cannot see that then there is no hope for you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Repeating some scary conspiracy theories you read about online doesn't make you informed. It makes you naive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago Everyone has an agenda, it would do you well in life to understand that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) Repeating some scary conspiracy theories you read about online doesn't make you informed. It makes you naive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago Everyone has an agenda, it would do you well in life to understand that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] darkstar@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago Everyone has an agenda, it would do you well in life to understand that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 21 points 8 months ago (22 children) The EU has no interest in allowing privacy on devices, since it is increasingly attempting to control alternative narratives. We're in touching distance of the Fourth Reich now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 12 points 8 months ago (20 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 months ago (19 children) This describes the EU, in a nutshell https://theuaob.substack.com/p/the-comprador-calculus-why-europes The fascists have already won. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago* (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 6 points 8 months ago (10 children) Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don't seem to control the EU yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 8 months ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, Capable and seen in the past, yes, but the current wave of it is indeed funded and spread by Russians and Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence. Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind. The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree. The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for. Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [+] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (5 children) The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history. You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 5 points 8 months ago Would not be sure about that. There has been steps in opposite directions in the past. Remember the regulation regarding 3. party app Stores on IOS, or even further back in the past the "Free Brwoser Choice" in MS-Windows. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 12 points 8 months ago (20 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 months ago (19 children) This describes the EU, in a nutshell https://theuaob.substack.com/p/the-comprador-calculus-why-europes The fascists have already won. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago* (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 6 points 8 months ago (10 children) Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don't seem to control the EU yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 8 months ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, Capable and seen in the past, yes, but the current wave of it is indeed funded and spread by Russians and Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence. Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind. The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree. The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for. Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [+] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (5 children) The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history. You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 months ago (19 children) This describes the EU, in a nutshell https://theuaob.substack.com/p/the-comprador-calculus-why-europes The fascists have already won. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago* (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 6 points 8 months ago (10 children) Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don't seem to control the EU yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 8 months ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, Capable and seen in the past, yes, but the current wave of it is indeed funded and spread by Russians and Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence. Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind. The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree. The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for. Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [+] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (5 children) The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history. You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago* (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 6 points 8 months ago (10 children) Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don't seem to control the EU yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 8 months ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, Capable and seen in the past, yes, but the current wave of it is indeed funded and spread by Russians and Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence. Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind. The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree. The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for. Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [+] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (5 children) The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history. You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] mjr@infosec.pub 6 points 8 months ago (10 children) Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don't seem to control the EU yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 8 months ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, Capable and seen in the past, yes, but the current wave of it is indeed funded and spread by Russians and Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence. Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind. The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree. The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for. Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 5 points 8 months ago (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, Capable and seen in the past, yes, but the current wave of it is indeed funded and spread by Russians and Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence. Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind. The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree. The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for. Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) Fascism is not even Russian funded or American spread, Europe is perfectly capable of growing its own fascism as we saw 100 years ago, Capable and seen in the past, yes, but the current wave of it is indeed funded and spread by Russians and Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence. Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind. The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree. The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for. Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind. The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree. The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for. Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (4 children) You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind. The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree. The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for. Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] mjr@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago (2 children) The EU was formed not with peace and stability in mind, but with neoliberalism and anticommunism, otherwise it would have never adhered to NATO The EU is not a NATO adherant/member. Many of the EU's members are also NATO members, but not all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 point 8 months ago There are countries that joined the EU both before and after Spain that are not NATO members. Membership of one is not a prerequisite for another. If any politicians told you otherwise, ask them why. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (5 children) The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history. You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (5 children) The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history. You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (5 children) The EU was founded on peace. Post world war 2 , right up until now was the longest period of peace on the continent in moder history. You do you man, but parroting divisive talking points just to be doing it is asset work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Where did the EU bomb? We are not France, and criticisms of their actions and territorial claims are legitmate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) NATO isnt the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 5 points 8 months ago Would not be sure about that. There has been steps in opposite directions in the past. Remember the regulation regarding 3. party app Stores on IOS, or even further back in the past the "Free Brwoser Choice" in MS-Windows. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago It is surely called competition law? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] maximumbird@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) I'm dumb But using grapheneos How would them locking down the code affect graphene? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago Graphen is based on AOSP - Android Open Source Project. As the name implies, that's the part of Android that's Open Source. Google publishes this code, Graphene OS people modify it and release. All bugfixes, security fixes and new features go there. Google first stopped accepting contributions from other devs and now they are limiting how often will they release AOSP and how often will they publish security fixes. This makes development of Graphene OS more difficult and it looks like Google's ultimate goal is to make Android closed source. Graphene OS doesn't have the resources to develop Android by themselves so this would probably kill the project. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zhkent@lemmy.today 1 point 8 months ago Some apps require google play, like android auto and maps. I'm using grapheneos with open street maps, so I don't think there would be any problem with that. There is a work around to load some apps that require google play with out a google account. I'm guessing that is what would be affected. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 point 8 months ago Graphen is based on AOSP - Android Open Source Project. As the name implies, that's the part of Android that's Open Source. Google publishes this code, Graphene OS people modify it and release. All bugfixes, security fixes and new features go there. Google first stopped accepting contributions from other devs and now they are limiting how often will they release AOSP and how often will they publish security fixes. This makes development of Graphene OS more difficult and it looks like Google's ultimate goal is to make Android closed source. Graphene OS doesn't have the resources to develop Android by themselves so this would probably kill the project. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zhkent@lemmy.today 1 point 8 months ago Some apps require google play, like android auto and maps. I'm using grapheneos with open street maps, so I don't think there would be any problem with that. There is a work around to load some apps that require google play with out a google account. I'm guessing that is what would be affected. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children) While it does not affect them directly, it is unlikely most app developers will give significant effort to only support a small percentage of Android users running custom ROMs. So while GrapheneOS users will be able to install apps, there will likely not be that many apps to install. Edit: What I mean is that most applications will have to choose to either agree to google terms and identify themselves, or develop only for custom ROMs, or stop developing altogether. And I don't think many will choose the 2nd option. Also, 1st option may not be available if google does not like your app. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] i078@europe.pub 17 points 8 months ago The european movement away from american stuff however is increasing, I’m hopeful that Jolla, Fairphone and the ROM world will actually increase in importance and numbers permalink fedilink source parent [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 points 8 months ago (2 children) It's the other way around. GrapheneOS users will be able to install all the apps but stock Android users will not be able to install apps from F-Droid and other alternative sources*. F-Droid will lose access to about 99% of the market. *Technically it will still be possible for open source devs to distribute apps to stock Android users but it will require handing Google your personal information and setting up way more complicated build configuration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Please see the edit with clarification, since I guess I wrote it poorly and multiple commenters did not get my point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* Yeah, uh, no alarm bells in the market watchdogs? None at all? permalink fedilink source parent [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 5 points 8 months ago (6 children) I'm writing this on a GOS Pixel tablet with only free/libre installation sources. There are quite enough applications to install. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (5 children) Please see edit of my comment. Since it seems my point did not get across, I elaborated. Of course there are plenty right now since there are no barriers yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* (4 children) GrapheneOS is not limited by Google, as long as the bootloader is unlockable and Google contnues releasing the sources. Longterm, the GOS project needs to support alternative hardware platforms. There are Linux tablets, so if Android is dead open source developers will support these. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) I think the problem is your second assumption of "will continue releasing sources" is the one to fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Hence, a new OEM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The OEM makes the hardware tho. How does that help if Google stops releasing the Android source code? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago If Google goes closed source and nobody sustainably forks Android we can go back to Linux. This should bring tablet (don't care for phones) support to genuine usability rather soon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] i078@europe.pub 17 points 8 months ago The european movement away from american stuff however is increasing, I’m hopeful that Jolla, Fairphone and the ROM world will actually increase in importance and numbers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 points 8 months ago (2 children) It's the other way around. GrapheneOS users will be able to install all the apps but stock Android users will not be able to install apps from F-Droid and other alternative sources*. F-Droid will lose access to about 99% of the market. *Technically it will still be possible for open source devs to distribute apps to stock Android users but it will require handing Google your personal information and setting up way more complicated build configuration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Please see the edit with clarification, since I guess I wrote it poorly and multiple commenters did not get my point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* Yeah, uh, no alarm bells in the market watchdogs? None at all? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Please see the edit with clarification, since I guess I wrote it poorly and multiple commenters did not get my point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* Yeah, uh, no alarm bells in the market watchdogs? None at all? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 5 points 8 months ago (6 children) I'm writing this on a GOS Pixel tablet with only free/libre installation sources. There are quite enough applications to install. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (5 children) Please see edit of my comment. Since it seems my point did not get across, I elaborated. Of course there are plenty right now since there are no barriers yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* (4 children) GrapheneOS is not limited by Google, as long as the bootloader is unlockable and Google contnues releasing the sources. Longterm, the GOS project needs to support alternative hardware platforms. There are Linux tablets, so if Android is dead open source developers will support these. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) I think the problem is your second assumption of "will continue releasing sources" is the one to fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Hence, a new OEM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The OEM makes the hardware tho. How does that help if Google stops releasing the Android source code? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago If Google goes closed source and nobody sustainably forks Android we can go back to Linux. This should bring tablet (don't care for phones) support to genuine usability rather soon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (5 children) Please see edit of my comment. Since it seems my point did not get across, I elaborated. Of course there are plenty right now since there are no barriers yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* (4 children) GrapheneOS is not limited by Google, as long as the bootloader is unlockable and Google contnues releasing the sources. Longterm, the GOS project needs to support alternative hardware platforms. There are Linux tablets, so if Android is dead open source developers will support these. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) I think the problem is your second assumption of "will continue releasing sources" is the one to fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Hence, a new OEM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The OEM makes the hardware tho. How does that help if Google stops releasing the Android source code? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago If Google goes closed source and nobody sustainably forks Android we can go back to Linux. This should bring tablet (don't care for phones) support to genuine usability rather soon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* (4 children) GrapheneOS is not limited by Google, as long as the bootloader is unlockable and Google contnues releasing the sources. Longterm, the GOS project needs to support alternative hardware platforms. There are Linux tablets, so if Android is dead open source developers will support these. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) I think the problem is your second assumption of "will continue releasing sources" is the one to fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Hence, a new OEM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The OEM makes the hardware tho. How does that help if Google stops releasing the Android source code? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago If Google goes closed source and nobody sustainably forks Android we can go back to Linux. This should bring tablet (don't care for phones) support to genuine usability rather soon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (3 children) I think the problem is your second assumption of "will continue releasing sources" is the one to fail. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Hence, a new OEM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The OEM makes the hardware tho. How does that help if Google stops releasing the Android source code? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago If Google goes closed source and nobody sustainably forks Android we can go back to Linux. This should bring tablet (don't care for phones) support to genuine usability rather soon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Hence, a new OEM. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The OEM makes the hardware tho. How does that help if Google stops releasing the Android source code? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago If Google goes closed source and nobody sustainably forks Android we can go back to Linux. This should bring tablet (don't care for phones) support to genuine usability rather soon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago (1 child) The OEM makes the hardware tho. How does that help if Google stops releasing the Android source code? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago If Google goes closed source and nobody sustainably forks Android we can go back to Linux. This should bring tablet (don't care for phones) support to genuine usability rather soon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago If Google goes closed source and nobody sustainably forks Android we can go back to Linux. This should bring tablet (don't care for phones) support to genuine usability rather soon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago It means they fork and they're going to need funding to keep up with security work at least. permalink fedilink source parent