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Spot The Differences For A Free Stay! (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] 78 points 1 year ago (14 children)

watching this happening in real time makes me wonder if the only reson germany lost was bc they started a war. bc rn it seems like we r doing what germany did but havent started a world war yet which will be interesting bc wed prob end up like russia, china, and NK etc. everyone know there are concentratiosn camps and human right violations but nobody would do anything bc there isnt a valid reason too yet bc if anyobe does anything, itll be taken as a sign of aggression and possibly war

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    💯%. the US was heavily isolationist at the start of WWII, and pretty anti-Semitic. for example, the St. Louis, a boat full of Jewish refugees, was turned away from the US and Canada in 1939 - and turned back to Europe, with many Jews eventually imprisoned and murdered by the Nazis. there were also the blackshirts in the UK, who were pro-Nazi, and PM Chamberlain had a peace treaty drawn up with Hitler. and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Soviets, of course.

    so if the Nazis had been content to murder only German, Austrian and Czech Jews, they would have gotten away with it.

    on the other hand, Nazi ideology (e.g. "lebensraum" and their belief in the destiny of the Aryan race to conquer the "inferior" races) drove them to war, to invade Poland and to break their pact with the Soviets. and they also spent tons of resources on the Holocaust, at the expense of their military.

    so basically yeah, isolationist Nazis would have totally survived, but otoh Nazis aren't isolationists.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    so basically yeah, isolationist Nazis would have totally survived,

    Everything you said was on point but this part I feel is incorrect. Nazi Germany was on the brink of bankruptcy by 1939 because of government overspending, mainly due to rearmament. Hitler felt he had to absolutely invade other countries to pillage the resources and maintain the German economy. People tend to give too much credit to the Nazis but the regime would have totally collapsed on its own if it weren't for the war delaying the inevitable.

    Hitler and the Nazis aren't different to any other dictatorships in post-war third world countries. They are bunch of fantasist buffoons. The Nazis only got lucky they went so far because they inherited strong institutions to leech off of, particularly the legacy of the Prussian military-- the army with a state.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ngl i was kinda hoping you'd say my statement is bull and germany wouldve been wiped out anyways regardless of starting a war lol (: i hate this timeline ;-;

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    I'm sorry 🫂 there's not always a happy ending. the genocide of Native Americans, for example.

    take care of yourself, and take care of your trans and migrant siblings. that's all we can really do, but maybe it's enough. ❤️

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    True. If germany wouldn't have started the war or would engage in limited warfare then nazi germany would have existed till now. Europe is lucky in the sense that USA and europe are separated by a big ocean. Otherwise USA politics would have affected europe. Also USA can remain isolated for a long time. And this makes it dangerous for people living there. Because europe and other countries cannot force USA to change its internal rules or cannot advise USA about its internal affairs.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If germany wouldn't have started the war or would engage in limited warfare then nazi germany would have existed till now.

    They definitely won't survive until now. Little known fact that most people are unaware of post-war is that Nazi Germany was on brink of another economic collapse in 1939 because of excessive government spending. The pillage of resources from their conquered territories gave them small injection of wealth to keep themselves going for a while. Even if Nazi Germany went fully isolationist and engaged in limited war (which I think is even impossible), eventually their poor policies will cause their own demise.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm not saying you're wrong, because I don't know enough details about their economy at that time, but people have been saying that about the US economy for decades and it hasn't happened yet (not that I think it wouldn't under Trump, because he's really going nuts on it, but...).

    Do you have anything you can point to that makes the case that the situation was so precarious that collapse was inevitable, or just that they were precarious (as the US has been since GWB at least)?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Economists say Trump's policies are detrimental to the American economy. And sure enough, his policies pissed off almost everybody, even oligarchs, when the stock market crashed in early April 2025. His big beautiful bill is gutting basic welfare and government spending. Fascism always collapses on its own because their policies are based on emotions and rejection of expert advice. Reality eventually catches up.

    America will eventually decline as superpower (all bloated empires eventually do). As we speak, China overtook US in terms of research and development spending. However, Trump's policies and exodus of researchers makes America less competitive, which will accelerate the country's decline as the sole hyperpower.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nazi Germany kinda had to start wars because their spending wasn't sustainable: they had significant yearly deficits and they were always looking for ways to push forward the day that Germany would become insolvent. They stole the assets of outgroups like the Jewish minority, financially raided the banks, had the treasury print money to pay of debts, implemented price and wage controls to stave off inflation because of printing too much money, ... None of it was sustainable in the long term. The longer term plan was to conquer other nations and plunder those.

    And very unfortunate for the world today: the spending by usa republicans isn't sustainable either + the usa has a very big army. Some people would say that the usa republicans couldn't possibly be that stupid to rob or invade their peaceful trade partners, but ... a lot of republicans are pretty damn stupid and short sighted, including the president.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago*

    a lot of republicans are pretty damn stupid and short sighted, including the president.

    They aren't just stupid, many on the right are religiously dedicated to the idea of a judgement day and devastating war between 'good and evil'. They are convinced 'God is on their side'. Evangelical Christian fascists have been pushing this for years, it was almost guaranteed to come to direct conflict from the course the US has been on unless there was some kind of intervention long ago.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trump keeps talking about annexing Canada though. Hitler didn’t need to invade Poland or any of the other nations he Blitzkrieged, but there it is.

    He has fallen quiet about that though. I wonder if someone with an ounce of historical knowledge told him that if you’re going to fascist, don’t start wars at the same time.

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