▲ 1406 ▼ Europe’s $24 Trillion Breakup With Visa and Mastercard Has Begun (europeanbusinessmagazine.com) submitted 9 months ago by Beep@lemmus.org to c/technology@lemmy.world 281 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 90 points 9 months ago (21 children) come on canada start taking notes permalink fedilink source hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 19 points 9 months ago (17 children) At least we have e transfers and debit unlike down south. I for one will be jumping on the first non us credit card however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children) As an American, I just may do the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago You do realize why we're scrambling to get a European credit card, right? I mean what's going to stop us from cutting Americans off when Trump decides to invade San Marino? permalink fedilink source parent [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 9 months ago Oh I hope that they name it something mildly silly. Like "Lone'y" or "broke buckz" permalink fedilink source parent [–] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (4 children) How about JCB? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 9 months ago (3 children) Jbc? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) Japan Credit Bureau permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 9 months ago Ah, are they world wide and less corrupt? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago Nope in North America they partnered with American Express. permalink fedilink source parent [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago (8 children) We have debit. And etransfer for things like PayPal or Venmo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Trilogy3452@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) How does debit work for fraud? Are banks more willing to refund when theres5fraud? In the US it feels like it's mostly on the user to bear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 9 months ago Depends on your bank, some have insurance on debit (like a credit card) but a lot in Canadian banks are moving to visa/MasterCard debit cards (since a bunch of our banks moved into the us market and are therefore tainted). permalink fedilink source parent [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 9 months ago (5 children) Ha, venmo is such a scam. And paypal is just as bad as MasterCard permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (4 children) How the fuck is venmo a scam? Jesus Christ what Idiocracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (3 children) How is it not? They take a part of every fucking payment. Jesus Christ would not like it at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (2 children) You mean like every company that charges a fee? That's not a scam, that's called business. Jesus Christ it's like people want everything for free and don't understand that it costs money to run a business. Credit cards charge interest, your bank charges fees, businesses price stuff over their cost. That farmer you pay for their vegetables charges more then it cost them to produce. These aren't scams. They are the cost of having services and good provided to you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) How much is the fee? Because last I checked it was not like an etransfer (included in most banking plans). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago Unless I am using my business account, being paid for some sort of goods or services, or doing things like instant transfers into my bank account I've never been charged a fee on Venmo. I use Venmo to transfer money between me and my significant and other all the time,c I send money to my friend all the time. Hell I've used Venmo to pay my employees through my personal account and never had any issues. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago* A lot of countries in Europe already have their own country-wide payment systems. What we're seeing now in Europe is the stage where those multiple country-specific systems become interoperable and a new international payment system appears. Canada only needs the kind of thing which has been not just available but actually dominant for decades in countries like The Netherlands and Portugal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago I think banning USA from owning our national/provincial/city news media including papers would be a higher priority, but we're not even doing that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 1 point 9 months ago Canada has Interac but turned it in a for profit. The Bank of Canada has considered a digital CAD but not started anything yet. Maybe they are taking notes? Meanwhile, we could give biz the option to lower their prices and in exchange pass down the cards fees to customers (transparently of course, big display: Visa +n1%, Mastercard: +n2%, ...). The current system makes all prices higher but cards provide rebates or other benefits. That's pretty much a tax on the poor who can't access "high end" credit cards. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 19 points 9 months ago (17 children) At least we have e transfers and debit unlike down south. I for one will be jumping on the first non us credit card however. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children) As an American, I just may do the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago You do realize why we're scrambling to get a European credit card, right? I mean what's going to stop us from cutting Americans off when Trump decides to invade San Marino? permalink fedilink source parent [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 9 months ago Oh I hope that they name it something mildly silly. Like "Lone'y" or "broke buckz" permalink fedilink source parent [–] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (4 children) How about JCB? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 9 months ago (3 children) Jbc? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) Japan Credit Bureau permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 9 months ago Ah, are they world wide and less corrupt? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago Nope in North America they partnered with American Express. permalink fedilink source parent [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago (8 children) We have debit. And etransfer for things like PayPal or Venmo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Trilogy3452@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) How does debit work for fraud? Are banks more willing to refund when theres5fraud? In the US it feels like it's mostly on the user to bear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 9 months ago Depends on your bank, some have insurance on debit (like a credit card) but a lot in Canadian banks are moving to visa/MasterCard debit cards (since a bunch of our banks moved into the us market and are therefore tainted). permalink fedilink source parent [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 9 months ago (5 children) Ha, venmo is such a scam. And paypal is just as bad as MasterCard permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (4 children) How the fuck is venmo a scam? Jesus Christ what Idiocracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (3 children) How is it not? They take a part of every fucking payment. Jesus Christ would not like it at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (2 children) You mean like every company that charges a fee? That's not a scam, that's called business. Jesus Christ it's like people want everything for free and don't understand that it costs money to run a business. Credit cards charge interest, your bank charges fees, businesses price stuff over their cost. That farmer you pay for their vegetables charges more then it cost them to produce. These aren't scams. They are the cost of having services and good provided to you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) How much is the fee? Because last I checked it was not like an etransfer (included in most banking plans). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago Unless I am using my business account, being paid for some sort of goods or services, or doing things like instant transfers into my bank account I've never been charged a fee on Venmo. I use Venmo to transfer money between me and my significant and other all the time,c I send money to my friend all the time. Hell I've used Venmo to pay my employees through my personal account and never had any issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children) As an American, I just may do the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago You do realize why we're scrambling to get a European credit card, right? I mean what's going to stop us from cutting Americans off when Trump decides to invade San Marino? permalink fedilink source parent [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 9 months ago Oh I hope that they name it something mildly silly. Like "Lone'y" or "broke buckz" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago You do realize why we're scrambling to get a European credit card, right? I mean what's going to stop us from cutting Americans off when Trump decides to invade San Marino? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 9 months ago Oh I hope that they name it something mildly silly. Like "Lone'y" or "broke buckz" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (4 children) How about JCB? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 9 months ago (3 children) Jbc? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) Japan Credit Bureau permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 9 months ago Ah, are they world wide and less corrupt? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago Nope in North America they partnered with American Express. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 9 months ago (3 children) Jbc? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) Japan Credit Bureau permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 9 months ago Ah, are they world wide and less corrupt? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago Nope in North America they partnered with American Express. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] th3dogcow@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago (2 children) Japan Credit Bureau permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 9 months ago Ah, are they world wide and less corrupt? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago Nope in North America they partnered with American Express. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 9 months ago Ah, are they world wide and less corrupt? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago Nope in North America they partnered with American Express. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago (8 children) We have debit. And etransfer for things like PayPal or Venmo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Trilogy3452@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) How does debit work for fraud? Are banks more willing to refund when theres5fraud? In the US it feels like it's mostly on the user to bear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 9 months ago Depends on your bank, some have insurance on debit (like a credit card) but a lot in Canadian banks are moving to visa/MasterCard debit cards (since a bunch of our banks moved into the us market and are therefore tainted). permalink fedilink source parent [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 9 months ago (5 children) Ha, venmo is such a scam. And paypal is just as bad as MasterCard permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (4 children) How the fuck is venmo a scam? Jesus Christ what Idiocracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (3 children) How is it not? They take a part of every fucking payment. Jesus Christ would not like it at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (2 children) You mean like every company that charges a fee? That's not a scam, that's called business. Jesus Christ it's like people want everything for free and don't understand that it costs money to run a business. Credit cards charge interest, your bank charges fees, businesses price stuff over their cost. That farmer you pay for their vegetables charges more then it cost them to produce. These aren't scams. They are the cost of having services and good provided to you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) How much is the fee? Because last I checked it was not like an etransfer (included in most banking plans). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago Unless I am using my business account, being paid for some sort of goods or services, or doing things like instant transfers into my bank account I've never been charged a fee on Venmo. I use Venmo to transfer money between me and my significant and other all the time,c I send money to my friend all the time. Hell I've used Venmo to pay my employees through my personal account and never had any issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Trilogy3452@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) How does debit work for fraud? Are banks more willing to refund when theres5fraud? In the US it feels like it's mostly on the user to bear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 9 months ago Depends on your bank, some have insurance on debit (like a credit card) but a lot in Canadian banks are moving to visa/MasterCard debit cards (since a bunch of our banks moved into the us market and are therefore tainted). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 9 months ago Depends on your bank, some have insurance on debit (like a credit card) but a lot in Canadian banks are moving to visa/MasterCard debit cards (since a bunch of our banks moved into the us market and are therefore tainted). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 9 months ago (5 children) Ha, venmo is such a scam. And paypal is just as bad as MasterCard permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (4 children) How the fuck is venmo a scam? Jesus Christ what Idiocracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (3 children) How is it not? They take a part of every fucking payment. Jesus Christ would not like it at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (2 children) You mean like every company that charges a fee? That's not a scam, that's called business. Jesus Christ it's like people want everything for free and don't understand that it costs money to run a business. Credit cards charge interest, your bank charges fees, businesses price stuff over their cost. That farmer you pay for their vegetables charges more then it cost them to produce. These aren't scams. They are the cost of having services and good provided to you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) How much is the fee? Because last I checked it was not like an etransfer (included in most banking plans). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago Unless I am using my business account, being paid for some sort of goods or services, or doing things like instant transfers into my bank account I've never been charged a fee on Venmo. I use Venmo to transfer money between me and my significant and other all the time,c I send money to my friend all the time. Hell I've used Venmo to pay my employees through my personal account and never had any issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (4 children) How the fuck is venmo a scam? Jesus Christ what Idiocracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (3 children) How is it not? They take a part of every fucking payment. Jesus Christ would not like it at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (2 children) You mean like every company that charges a fee? That's not a scam, that's called business. Jesus Christ it's like people want everything for free and don't understand that it costs money to run a business. Credit cards charge interest, your bank charges fees, businesses price stuff over their cost. That farmer you pay for their vegetables charges more then it cost them to produce. These aren't scams. They are the cost of having services and good provided to you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) How much is the fee? Because last I checked it was not like an etransfer (included in most banking plans). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago Unless I am using my business account, being paid for some sort of goods or services, or doing things like instant transfers into my bank account I've never been charged a fee on Venmo. I use Venmo to transfer money between me and my significant and other all the time,c I send money to my friend all the time. Hell I've used Venmo to pay my employees through my personal account and never had any issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (3 children) How is it not? They take a part of every fucking payment. Jesus Christ would not like it at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (2 children) You mean like every company that charges a fee? That's not a scam, that's called business. Jesus Christ it's like people want everything for free and don't understand that it costs money to run a business. Credit cards charge interest, your bank charges fees, businesses price stuff over their cost. That farmer you pay for their vegetables charges more then it cost them to produce. These aren't scams. They are the cost of having services and good provided to you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) How much is the fee? Because last I checked it was not like an etransfer (included in most banking plans). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago Unless I am using my business account, being paid for some sort of goods or services, or doing things like instant transfers into my bank account I've never been charged a fee on Venmo. I use Venmo to transfer money between me and my significant and other all the time,c I send money to my friend all the time. Hell I've used Venmo to pay my employees through my personal account and never had any issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago (2 children) You mean like every company that charges a fee? That's not a scam, that's called business. Jesus Christ it's like people want everything for free and don't understand that it costs money to run a business. Credit cards charge interest, your bank charges fees, businesses price stuff over their cost. That farmer you pay for their vegetables charges more then it cost them to produce. These aren't scams. They are the cost of having services and good provided to you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) How much is the fee? Because last I checked it was not like an etransfer (included in most banking plans). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago Unless I am using my business account, being paid for some sort of goods or services, or doing things like instant transfers into my bank account I've never been charged a fee on Venmo. I use Venmo to transfer money between me and my significant and other all the time,c I send money to my friend all the time. Hell I've used Venmo to pay my employees through my personal account and never had any issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) How much is the fee? Because last I checked it was not like an etransfer (included in most banking plans). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago Unless I am using my business account, being paid for some sort of goods or services, or doing things like instant transfers into my bank account I've never been charged a fee on Venmo. I use Venmo to transfer money between me and my significant and other all the time,c I send money to my friend all the time. Hell I've used Venmo to pay my employees through my personal account and never had any issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip -1 points 9 months ago Unless I am using my business account, being paid for some sort of goods or services, or doing things like instant transfers into my bank account I've never been charged a fee on Venmo. I use Venmo to transfer money between me and my significant and other all the time,c I send money to my friend all the time. Hell I've used Venmo to pay my employees through my personal account and never had any issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago* A lot of countries in Europe already have their own country-wide payment systems. What we're seeing now in Europe is the stage where those multiple country-specific systems become interoperable and a new international payment system appears. Canada only needs the kind of thing which has been not just available but actually dominant for decades in countries like The Netherlands and Portugal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 point 7 months ago I think banning USA from owning our national/provincial/city news media including papers would be a higher priority, but we're not even doing that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 1 point 9 months ago Canada has Interac but turned it in a for profit. The Bank of Canada has considered a digital CAD but not started anything yet. Maybe they are taking notes? Meanwhile, we could give biz the option to lower their prices and in exchange pass down the cards fees to customers (transparently of course, big display: Visa +n1%, Mastercard: +n2%, ...). The current system makes all prices higher but cards provide rebates or other benefits. That's pretty much a tax on the poor who can't access "high end" credit cards. permalink fedilink source parent