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[+] -13 points 9 months ago (75 children)

Acting like voting D would fix anything is a huge part of the problem.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (17 children)

    Voting D is not the cure for cancer but it seems to be a viable chemo treatment... voting R is like feeding the cancer with yellow #5 and plutonium

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Funny how there isn't only two choices though.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Democrats are guilty of aiding, and in some cases directly participating in, an internationally-recognized genocide. You are advocating for genocidaires. Democrats are guilty of aiding, and in some cases directly participating in, an internationally-recognized genocide. You are advocating for genocidaires. Democrats are guilty of aiding, and in some cases directly participating in, an internationally-recognized genocide. You are advocating for genocidaires.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Democrats are guilty of aiding, and in some cases directly participating in, an internationally-recognized genocide.

    And Republicans eagerly participate in genocide as hard as they can... so when you only have 2 choices to compare, the one that does horrible things some times vs the one that only does horrible things and seeks to do the most horrible things all the time, you probably, maybe, want to go with the lesser evil

    You are advocating for genocidaires.

    The lesser genocidaires (sic)

    x3

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    so when you only have 2 choices to compare [...], you probably, maybe, want to go with the lesser evil

    Suppose, in 10 years, your choice for president is between a democrat who openly expresses interest in murdering six million Jewish people, and a Republican who openly expresses interest in murdering seven million Jewish people.

    Will you still be an unwavering Democrat?

    get liberals to admit they would vote for a literal holocaust so long as the color is blue - with this one simple trick!

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You are advocating for genocidaires.

    And you're advocating for worse by allowing a worse party to win.

    This isn't complicated.

    When Biden was president he tried to broker a peace deal. He stated on live TV that he didn't condone Israel's methods. And he floated arms shipment cancellations to try to bring Netanyahu to the table.

    Trump, on the other hand, is giving Netanyahu two big thumbs up and talking about turning Gaza into a resort destination once all the Palestinians are dead or forcibly removed.

    Now, do I need to explain to you how those things are not the same?

    I do not care about your feelings. I care about my own nation's wellbeing first, then after that, I care about helping the Palestinians as much as I can. And helping them as much as I can meant voting Dem, because, as I just made clear, Republicans are WAY WORSE for Palestinians.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    When Biden was president he tried to broker a peace deal. He stated on live TV that he didn't condone Israel's methods. And he floated arms shipment cancellations to try to bring Netanyahu to the table.

    Now, do I need to explain to you how those things are not the same?

    "Although the end result was the exact same, one side feigned civility and decorum! How can you not see the difference?"

    Yall need to drop this obsession with vibes, messaging, and optics.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (48 children)

    Acting like not voting at all would fix anything is a huge part of the problem. Yeah the Democrats not going to do anything, but you know what that means, the Democrats won't do anything. They won't embarass America on the world stage every day, they won't fund the Gestapo to assault minorities and they won't threaten allies with invasion.

    Sure the Democrats suck, the whole damn system sucks but it's a whole lot better for a whole lot of people when the Republicans are not in charge.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (18 children)

    They won’t embarass America on the world stage every day, they won’t fund the Gestapo to assault minorities and they won’t threaten allies with invasion.

    Yaaay we get decorum and stability at home so we can ignore the Palestinians / Yemenis / Somalis / etc being bombed overseas! Hopefully the bomb will even be dropped by a diverse team under the Dems!

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Palestinians / Yemenis / Somalis / etc

    I'm confused how supporting and engaging in genocide and bombing humans in multiple countries with unique circumstances is both a single issue separate to and less important than doing the same (without bombs) nearer to home.

    I guess everyone has a different tolerance for blood on their hands...

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    The landlords are burning down houses on the other side of town with the renters trapped inside. Then they start doing the same in another neighborhood, then another in the city. When do you start thinking they'll do the same to you regardless of the termites and rot?

    Internal issues aren't bigger. They're more personally dangerous. You're simply saying human life near you is more important than human life elsewhere. If absolutely nothing else, paying taxes makes it blood on Americans hands.

    Given that the US is engaging in the wars it's clear that not all Americans are fully aware. I mean there are still a ton of conservatives who are pro-Zionism.

    That said i know the left is growing and stronger every day. I know there's people trying to fix things. The people I've known who are most effective never considered the border when valuing the state's actions.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (10 children)
    1. Joe Biden had the files and did not release them, so miss me with the "only dems will save the kids" shit
    2. I don't know why you're implying we need to pick one or the other, but claiming that (at most) 100 - 200 western children being molested takes precedence over thousands of Palestinian children being murdered displays your white supremacist mindset.
    3. Parents being deported and stranding children is terrible. It is not more terrible than parents being murdered and children being murdered. What the fuck are you talking about?
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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Being insufferable to Blue MAGA means I'm doing something right.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    If Blue MAGA hates you, it's because you wanted to actually try something new with evidence it works.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Very true. And/or because you prioritize the deaths of non-Americans over American liberals losing a slight degree of their privilege and needing to actually be uncomfortable about, and face-to-face with, the state of our imperialist shithole country. Thankfully the internet isn't a popularity contest for me so I'll survive okay lol

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (28 children)

    I wouldn't advocate for not voting, voting third party would be my advice if you don't want to personally get involved in politics.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (27 children)

    voting third party would be my advice

    Hope that advice only applies to local/state elections, cuz voting 3rd party for president is about as useful as an asshole on your elbow.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (26 children)

    The only reason its as ineffective as it is now is because of people like you spend a ridiculous amount of time and effort shaming those who might consider it.

    Saying a third party couldn't win is factually incorrect, yet its a common phrase on here isn't it.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Well, if we can't even agree what a fact is, what's the point of debating this?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Only once has a third party candidate made much progress, and Perot was right-wing/libertarian. You can't skip right to a third party presidential candidate without making progress with that party locally first, then in Congress. That just how this system works. You can pretend that enough people will spontaneously vote for your same third party candidate, but that's a demonstrably a fantasy. You can claim that a vote reflects on your own morality rather than something strategic and practical, but that's a view pushed by people hoping to take advantage of youth vanity and split the vote.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    You can’t skip right to a third party presidential candidate without making progress with that party locally first

    I swear to God. It's like trying to tell a child you can't have ice cream because you're stranded on a desert island and they KEEP INSISTING that they want ice cream.

    It's infuriating.

    Like, it isn't complicated. You can't start at the beginning of a board game, roll a 6, and move your piece 57 spaces to the end and win. That's impossible.

    It's wild how many Americans exist outside reality.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    This absolutely can happen, but its not popular in America. Americans just want to vote for their team, at least the majority of them.

    And your example is absurd, Trump himself skipped the entire game, and then took over one of the parties.

    The only wild thing here is that you lack any creative thought to find a better solution than to vote for democrats and hope the country doesn't fall apart by the time you pass away.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Got a better plan?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    No reply 2 days later, just wants to dismiss anything that isn't Controlled Opposition approved.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    No, they’re right - the Constitution says the person who receives the most votes is President. With the added fuckery of the Slaver’s College, third parties have an unbelievably hard lift to get anywhere close to President.

    It’s just not going to happen without a huge base, and there isn’t one. There never is. Just stunt candidates ripping people off for fun & profit.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I guess we should keep voting for the people who are taking advantage of everyone else then.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    As everyone is trying to point out, not voting against them also works.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    I mean, does it?

    Is the goal to make things worse or so unbearable that society does a 180 and says "Oh man, maybe voting so the literally nazis don't win is a beter idea." or does society just get beaten down and beaten down? How long does real society change take? It took slaves what, oh 200+ years? How's Russia fairing these days?

    By not voting you're actively encouraging things to get worse before they get better.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    Factually correct but improbable none-the-less.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    Sort of, probability isn't a set thing, and everyone analyzes it differently. Part of the reason it seems so improbable is because people keep saying it is.

    The reality is though that the majority want either a republican or democrat, because a majority think America is a good country that just needs a little bit better leadership. I disagree with that assessment, and I won't vote D or R again.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Part of the reason it seems so improbable is because people keep saying it is.

    It's improbable is because no grassroots movement has been able to fund enough advertisements to run a successful 3rd party run. It's a 2 party system because of money; straight up. Money has to be used to reach votes in hard to reach places across all 50+ states that have varying tax laws. Not impossible, but over the 250+ years of elections (or whatever) it hasn't been done.

    It's improbable because voting 3rd party also hopes that other folx agree with the 3rd party and will also vote. Voting 3rd party is throwing away your vote in a system that has been binary thus far. If the choices are voting for a literal Nazi or voting for a Corporate Puppet, and your and your friends vote 3rd party, that historically gives a better chance to either of the other 2 candidates winning, with the Nazi candidate benefiting the most.

    There's a lot of people in America; it's a large piechart.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Hmm maybe a general strike would help then. I was going to say we should stop associating and giving our money to greedy capitalists, but thats a general strike so let's so that.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    Dems gave me affordable healthcare when I was young and poor.

    Last Dem was progressive as fuck, but everyone focused on his age because the TV told them to.

    Voting records show Dems regularly vote in favor of average Americans and have for a long, long time.

    Sorry bud, reality disagrees with your feelings.

    Just because a party isn't perfect doesn't mean they aren't beneficial.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Democratic voters might be decent people, they at least have good intentions for the most part. That does not mean that the solutions their politicians propose are effective or helpful. I'm glad you had cheap healthcare then, but if I starved you for a month and then gave you a meal you'd be thankful for that too.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (4 children)

    You should probably go look at the voting history for the Democrat party before you continue this conversation.

    I have.

    And I don't let a single vote that didn't go the way I wanted to turn me off of a party, because then I'd be turned off from all parties, everywhere, forever.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Ok. Do it. You'll be more educated.

    I didn't review EVERY VOTE EVER.

    I went back in time, randomly selecting votes and seeing how Dems voted in comparison to Repubs.

    I discovered a pattern of Dems consistently voting in favor of average Americans when Repubs almost never did so.

    I've also been alive for enough decades to have actually witnessed this trend in real time.

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