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Cloudflare defies Italy’s Piracy Shield, won’t block websites on 1.1.1.1 DNS (arstechnica.com)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from : https://lemmy.zip/post/56719476

Italy fined Cloudflare 14.2 million euros for refusing to block access to pirate sites on its 1.1.1.1 DNS service, the country’s communications regulatory agency, AGCOM, announced yesterday. Cloudflare said it will fight the penalty and threatened to remove all of its servers from Italian cities.

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[–] 57 points 10 months ago (15 children)

Are they becoming less shitty or is this accidentally doing the right thing?

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    They’re arguing that applying filters would degrade performance for everyone. So.. to me that kinda sounds like accidentally doing the right thing.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Seems fairly plausible that they cant change 1.1.1.1 behaviour per country.

    At least, not readonably. Dns is the one place where people spend a lot of effort saving microseconds (and less) on each look up.

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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    They did as sort of positive thing while praising Elon and Vance, despite both their visions of “free speech” as being “free speech for what I like and not you”

    So a hearty fuck Cloudflare, fuck American tech for one again operating in a country and refusing to follow their laws, and fuck the entire billionaire apparatus who are so deep in the circle jerk they don’t know how to come up for air and not act like fascists for 10 seconds. 

    the Italian law is overly broad here, but that doesn’t excuse this behaviour. 

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  • [–] 46 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    fuck American tech for one again operating in a country and refusing to follow their laws

    Fuck government overreach. And fuck anyone defending it.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    You fight government overreach by civil disobedience, not by corporatist overreach in the same manner.

    If you give a free pass to corporations disobeying laws just because you personally dislike those laws, soon you'll find all regulations are pointless because no corporation follows them...

    Also, there's no such thing as "governmental overreach" in a well working system that is FOR the people and BY the people. You elect the representatives, you have a say in what laws get passed. I do agree that we could do with a refresher because the current forms of representative democracy are breaking thanks to (primarily right wing) political false marketing with no repercussions, and nowadays we do have a way to have people give direct input on laws and regulations before they get passed, but that doesn't negate the fact that the government isn't supposed to be some shady ruler class but rather a form of communal governance.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    there’s no such thing as “governmental overreach” in a well working system that is FOR the people and BY the people

    Nope: two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

    Coercive power can be turned against the individual democratically. A system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also denies it authority to abuse liberties is necessary.

    civil disobedience, not by corporatist overreach

    "corporatist overreach" can be civil disobedience & legal challenges.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    There’s no way this was Cloudflare taking a stand for liberty and free speech. They are simply choosing to obey one less regulation. Less for them to do. Less to be accountable for. Less to special-case for one country.

    These corporations hate being regulated - it could be by a direct popular ballot, not politicians, and they would still resist. Let’s not mistake corporate obstructionism for libertarianism.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Government overreach (or corruption and enablement of oligarchs) is the responsibility of the citizens.

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  • [+] 15 points 10 months ago* (1 child)
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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    I am Italian and I find Piracy Shield an abomination.

    That said, the consequence after the government enacts this should be to see at least all the technically informed people protesting vehemently if not violently.

    Instead no, sofa is just too comfortable and pay is too high (including the one they get from public contracts), so let's instead applaud the Elon-yapping corpo that decides this is the one rule to challenge, but not the next one that is to their advantage.

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