I hope this post fits the content and format of this community, if not I'm sorry.

I'm just incredibly shocked by the fact that an admin of the instance lemmy.dbzer0.com is openly supporting Hamas.

Here's a link to the comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/61235665/23634712

Comment by kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com: "One of the several issues western shitlibs tend to suffer from is that they expect a perfect Netflix style resistance™. They don’t understand that resistance is an imperfect process done by flawed individuals who sometimes do bad. Yet through it all even a deeply flawed resistance is better than a genocidal occupation.  So yes unironically I do support Hamas and I support every resistance group to imperialism regardless of how flawed they are because morality means nothing to the dead."
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[–] 8 points 10 months ago (66 children)
  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (65 children)

    Anarchists are not tankies.

    Campism is support, usually largely uncritical, for imperialist powers opposed to the US, in spite of such supporters identifying as leftists, who oppose all imperialism. Critical support for a tiny, oppressed resistance movement fighting apartheid and genocide is not campism.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (64 children)
  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (63 children)

    Are you even trying to form an original thought?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (62 children)

    Hey now, Instance rule "be respectful," buddy -- As per your report

    Are you defending Hamas or are in support of Hamas? Should be a pretty easy answer, yeah?

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (61 children)

    I sympathize generally with the posted comment.

    Hamas is currently the only credible resistance against the genocidal apartheid terrorist entity of Israel.

    Whether your mind is capable of parsing the nuance is beyond my control.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)

    You endorse the rape and the murder of civilians?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    you get lost lol

    it's my community, why shouldn't I just boot ya?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (53 children)

    Hamas is currently the only credible resistance

    I'm sick and tired of seeing this shit. What fucking credibility does Hamas have? They've been in power for 20 years and what have they achieved? Their only acts of "resistance" is terrorist attacks against civilians, that's it. They quite literally haven't done a single thing to resist Israel whatsoever.

    This entire debacle is their doing. They spent a long time planning the Oct 7th attacks, broke the status quo, declared a holy war, and now tens of thousands of Gazans are dead because of it. Those terrorist attacks that led to this current situation is their crown achievement. The result? Israel bombed the entire strip into the ground, the IDF marched right in unopposed, they started massacring civilians, and now they control everything. Where's the opposition? Where's the resistance? Hamas has resisted shit since their inception.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (52 children)

    There is no other faction with comparable capacities, limited though theirs may be, fighting in Gaza for Palestinians.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (51 children)

    What fucking capacity? People like you keep parroting this like it's some gospel truth when it's nothing more than made up nonsense. They have showed ZERO resistance to Israel. They can't even do as much as to even scratch an IDF tank.

    Literally all they were able to muster in 20 long years is launch weak rockets that hit nothing and a few terrorist attacks against civilians, and every time Israel beats the shit out of them in retaliation. Their existence is literally a net a negative on the Palestinian population because every time they instigate something new, it's the Palestinian civilians that suffer.

    It's been just a bit over 2 years since Oct 7, 2023 when Israel started raining hell on Gaza... What has Hamas done to resist since? Seriously, tell me. I'm giving it to you because I don't see it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (50 children)

    You are being obtuse.

    Hamas and Israel are opposing factions in armed struggle.

    Israel seeks occupation, apartheid, and genocide over Palestine.

    Hamas fights for the liberation of Palestine from Israel's barbaric oppression.

    It should not seem complicated.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    As if Hamas were just reacting to Israels oppression and have no agency of their own? As if they aren't fighting for a fundamentalist islamist state!?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Hamas emerged from within the context of a brutal occupation.

    Before Israel, there was no Hamas.

    Before the Nakba, there was no Hamas.

    Hamas is fundamentally a construct of colonial resistance.

    It is not seriously a threat to any interests except Israeli atrocities. Even if it did threaten Palestinians, the threat would be dwarfed by such atrocities of Israel. Palestinians are far safer through Hamas than they would be without Hamas. It is easy to imagine a superior alternative, but none actually exist in the present.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (47 children)

    So you can't answer me? It's just as I thought. You brainlessly just repeat the same shit again and again like a drone. There's no substance or thought into it whatsoever. You don't seem to understand that repeating the same bullshit endlessly isn't going to change anything, it's still invalid. I literally gave a chance to give your case and you can't. My point stands because it's true.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (46 children)

    I responded to your question appropriately, by observing that it is based on a distortion of language.

    Hamas is, de facto, the current Palestinian resistance against Israeli atrocities.

    Try asking a question politely and in good faith, if you genuinely want answers that promote the quality of discussion.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (45 children)

    Oh don't give me that cop out bullshit. We both know I'm not the one being disingenuous here. I asked you the most direct, straightforward, and central question in this entire discussion... and you didn't answer it at all. You ignored it and went back to repeating the same shit again and again like a broken record.

    I'll ask again, what has Hamas done to resist Israel? You're all over this thread explicitly voicing your support for Hamas. When people rightfully asked you why, your answer is that they're a "resistance group". That is your entire justification, that is your core point, your central argument. I said fine, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and have you explain yourself. Explain to me how, when, and where has Hamas resisted Israel? Once again, I'm giving you the floor to give your case because you didn't do nothing on it last time.

    The reason why I'm asking you because I'm genuinely baffled that people like you exist. I want you to explain to me where the substance behind your claims lie because I don't see it. Hamas has been in power for 20 years, what have they done to resist Israel? I cannot think of anything whatsoever besides them launching a bunch of rockets that hit nowhere and terrorist attacks that targeted civilians. Every single time they did anything, they got Israel to bomb the shit out of them and advance their goals. It's the epitome of taking 1 step forward and then 100 steps back.

    Their crown achievement was supposed to be the Oct 7th terrorist attacks. Them massacring a bunch of civilians at a music festival and nearby villages and taking hostages was the absolute peak of their "resistance". Not even 24 hours later, Israel pushed them back into Gaza and then started their campaign of turning Gaza into hell on earth. It's been over 2 years now. Israel has bulldozed the entirety of the strip, captured all the of the territory, killed tens of thousands of people, cut off all aid and utilities, and they have successfully achieved virtually all of their initial goals one by one. Where's the Hamas resistance during all this? There isn't even a symbolic resistance let alone an effective one. Their resistance can accurately be assessed as negative.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (44 children)

    I cannot do any more than repeat my explanation one last time, that you are anchored to a straw man.

    The basic facts are exceedingly simple. Hamas, a faction of Palestinians, is engaged in an armed struggle with Israel, which is perpetrating atrocities against Palestine.

    Such an uncontroversial observation should not provoke such confusion or hostility.

    Of course, it would be more favorable for Palestine to have the means of acquiring more potent military capacities.

    If you want to ask a question, then please find one that is not meaningless within the context.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    You can't answer my question because you don't have an answer, and the reason for that is that you know you're lying and can't admit it.

    I asked a very simple, direct, and straightforward question. It's not a loaded question, it's very much relevant, and it's literally the reason why we're having the discussion. I'm literally asking you to back up your claims, and you just can't do it.

    Unlike you, I actually gave my explanation. I actually provided examples and went in depth, and I gave you multiple chances to do the same, but you chose not to. The fact that you're trying so hard to weasel out of this question like greasy rat instead of just directly addressing it tells me that you won't ever actually provide anything ever.

    At this point I'm 95% sure you're a troll.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Actually read the article you posted because you clearly don't know what the fallacy even is.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    A strawman is a specific fallacy where a person intentionally misinterprets someone's agruement and then agrues against that misinterpretation. I did no such thing. Again, read the link you posted.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Blah blah blah more incoherent ramblings from the moron who refuses to defend the very claims they're parroting. At this point you're just wasting my time. I can already tell that you're full of shit, you know you are, and you have no intention of actually getting back on topic. Go troll elsewhere.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (33 children)

    ICE is just performing imperfect border security.

    Such an uncontroversial observation should not provoke such confusion or hostility.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (32 children)

    ICE is not resisting a colonial aggressor. ICE is not fighting an antagonist perpetrating atrocities. ICE is not representing a people who have lived under siege their whole lives.

    Keep trying.

    Also note, ICE operates concentration camps and perpetrates forced disappearances

    "Border security" is a sham, because freer borders would present no genuine threat.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (31 children)

    Wow, so you're against legal immigration, and defending people against foreign invasions. Crazy.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (29 children)

    You're spreading debunked propaganda to claim that ICE is doing anything more than imperfectly standing up for their citizens.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (28 children)
  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (27 children)

    The absolute irony is almost deafening.

    Have fun simping for terrorists!

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (26 children)

    The irony I see is that you inadvertently demonstrate the pointlessness of attempting a discussion with a Zionist.

    Nothing comes of it except deflections, obfuscations, and lies.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (25 children)

    No u

    Cute. Did your terrorist-supporter buddies help you come up with that?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (21 children)

    Cheer on any good massacres lately? Then lie and say they didn't happen and call it Hasbara?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (19 children)

    Lol you literally called it hasbara and debunked, but keep lying.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    I said they murdered and raped, you said that was "debunked"

    Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (14 children)

    Just looking to know which time you were lying. Simple question.

    I didn't parrot anything. Sorry you think "rape and murder is bad" requires some kind of propaganda to believe.

    Says a lot about how you get your talking points though.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Something is either debunked, or it isn't. That's simply not a complex issue.

    Says a lot that you won't give a straight answer though. Or use concise language about anything.

    Because if you did, you'd have to decide whether to go with:

    • Rape and murder of civilians is actually good sometimes and when Hamas does it it's good Or
    • Of course they're going to rape and murder civilians while they resist, because you look down on the Palestinian people as savage, barbaric people who can't help but rape and murder civilians.

    I wonder which it is.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (10 children)

    One is accepted fact

    Tell me what words I used that misaligns with accepted fact then. Why can't you do it? Prove you can be direct.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    Tell me what words I used that misaligns with accepted fact then.

    You're falsely accusing me of something. Prove it, liar.

    You said I stated something untrue. Quote it.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    You said I stated something untrue. Quote it.

    Or admit that you lied when you said it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    You know what you wrote. Stop being obstinate.

    I stand by my characterizations, regarding the allegations you repeated, as well as regarding issues more personal.

    The truth is we don't know what happened, and you find it hard to accept a world with uncertainty and nuance.

    You find it hard to accept that there is not always a clear path to proving yourself right and proving someone else wrong.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Yup, exactly. I know exactly what I wrote which is why I can be so confident that I caught you in a lie.

    Quote it.

    Oh I also forgot to add kidnapping and murdering babies to the list of things you sick fucks like for some reason.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Look how hostile you have to get because you simply cannot quote the thing you so obviously lied about.

    Disgusting that you just blatantly lie and gaslight like this. Is that your form of imperfect resistance?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    No, you very obviously pivoted left and right to avoid the fact that you blatantly lied about me.

    It's good that you keep doubling down on this so people can see just how much you're willing to gaslight to push a fabricated narrative that anyone can plainly see is untrue.

    Shame on you.

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