I hope this post fits the content and format of this community, if not I'm sorry.

I'm just incredibly shocked by the fact that an admin of the instance lemmy.dbzer0.com is openly supporting Hamas.

Here's a link to the comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/61235665/23634712

Comment by kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com: "One of the several issues western shitlibs tend to suffer from is that they expect a perfect Netflix style resistance™. They don’t understand that resistance is an imperfect process done by flawed individuals who sometimes do bad. Yet through it all even a deeply flawed resistance is better than a genocidal occupation.  So yes unironically I do support Hamas and I support every resistance group to imperialism regardless of how flawed they are because morality means nothing to the dead."
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[–] 0 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Simple question.

There's your problem. You're trying to discuss complex political issues with massively absurd oversimplifications.

I answered your question. If you don't accept the answer, that's on you.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Something is either debunked, or it isn't. That's simply not a complex issue.

    Says a lot that you won't give a straight answer though. Or use concise language about anything.

    Because if you did, you'd have to decide whether to go with:

    • Rape and murder of civilians is actually good sometimes and when Hamas does it it's good Or
    • Of course they're going to rape and murder civilians while they resist, because you look down on the Palestinian people as savage, barbaric people who can't help but rape and murder civilians.

    I wonder which it is.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Something is either debunked, or it isn’t. That’s simply not a complex issue.

    The actual events, and ascertaining them reliably, obviously are very complicated.

    The simplest way to address your question is still relatively simple, but less simple than you pretend.

    The question you insist is simple conflates two different things. One is the fact of fatalities occurring during conflict, and the other is the Israeli narrative as parroted uncritically.

    One is accepted fact, which no one contests, and one is debunked propaganda.

    You should be adequately thoughtful and sincere to acknowledge the distinction.

    Because if you did, you’d have to decide whether to go with... I wonder which it is.

    You should stop wondering, and start acknowledging that you have constructed a rather absurd false dichotomy.

    It says a lot about you that I addressed your question directly and appropriately, several times now in succession, yet you still act too dense to understand.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (10 children)

    One is accepted fact

    Tell me what words I used that misaligns with accepted fact then. Why can't you do it? Prove you can be direct.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    What is it you want to prove for yourself?

    You seem to be searching for some straightforward and unambiguous proof that you are right, whereas I consider it completely right that you were called out for acting as a mouthpiece of Israel and Zionism.

    It would be best for you to let go of your need for the world to be explained in terms that are black and while.

    At least one thing really is simple, though. If you want not to be called a mouthpiece of Israel, then you should stop acting as one.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    Tell me what words I used that misaligns with accepted fact then.

    You're falsely accusing me of something. Prove it, liar.

    You said I stated something untrue. Quote it.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Respecting the October 7 attacks, limited details are reliably known.

    It is known that both Hamas and Israeli combatants perpetrated attacks, and it is known that many people were killed, including many Israelis.

    It is known that Hamas taking hostages was planned as a important component of the mission, and that it was successful.

    The claims of sexual assault have now been almost completely dismissed, many as completely lacking credibility, others as not supported adequately by evidence. Israel's dishonest and obstructive conduct has obscured the truth, probably irredeemably.

    Even generously accepting some of the evidence offered for sexual assault, it would remain unknown whether such acts were spontaneous choices by individuals, or ordered by higher tiers of command.

    Furthermore, it is unknown how many of the Israelis who were killed died as a consequence of Israeli fire.

    Regardless of your sense of intention, I feel it is right that you were called out for acting as mouthpiece of Israel and Zionism.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    You said I stated something untrue. Quote it.

    Or admit that you lied when you said it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    You know what you wrote. Stop being obstinate.

    I stand by my characterizations, regarding the allegations you repeated, as well as regarding issues more personal.

    The truth is we don't know what happened, and you find it hard to accept a world with uncertainty and nuance.

    You find it hard to accept that there is not always a clear path to proving yourself right and proving someone else wrong.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Yup, exactly. I know exactly what I wrote which is why I can be so confident that I caught you in a lie.

    Quote it.

    Oh I also forgot to add kidnapping and murdering babies to the list of things you sick fucks like for some reason.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    You're an insufferable child, completely irresponsible and locked in narrow loops of self importance.

    The discussion now completely lacks any chance of becoming constructive.

    You can take your animosity elsewhere.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Look how hostile you have to get because you simply cannot quote the thing you so obviously lied about.

    Disgusting that you just blatantly lie and gaslight like this. Is that your form of imperfect resistance?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I very patiently and politely tried steer the conversation beyond the counterproductive space of your singlemindedly trying to prove yourself right.

    There, I've added one more comment, so it is no longer necessary that the last one is on a sour note.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    No, you very obviously pivoted left and right to avoid the fact that you blatantly lied about me.

    It's good that you keep doubling down on this so people can see just how much you're willing to gaslight to push a fabricated narrative that anyone can plainly see is untrue.

    Shame on you.

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