I hope this post fits the content and format of this community, if not I'm sorry.

I'm just incredibly shocked by the fact that an admin of the instance lemmy.dbzer0.com is openly supporting Hamas.

Here's a link to the comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/61235665/23634712

Comment by kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com: "One of the several issues western shitlibs tend to suffer from is that they expect a perfect Netflix style resistance™. They don’t understand that resistance is an imperfect process done by flawed individuals who sometimes do bad. Yet through it all even a deeply flawed resistance is better than a genocidal occupation.  So yes unironically I do support Hamas and I support every resistance group to imperialism regardless of how flawed they are because morality means nothing to the dead."
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[–] 42 points 10 months ago (126 children)

There's an obsession with 'If this side is bad, the other side must be good' nowadays that has become kind of crazy.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (54 children)

    The posted comment never represents one side as "good". It correctly identifies one side as resisting imperialism and colonialism, while acknowledging its lack of perfection.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    to give you a more practical example, no one can deny that Azov is correct in fighting Russia. that doesn't automatically make them valiant and brave anti-colonial heroes just because the Ukrainian people are fighting a war of national liberation. some groups are bad no matter how dire their local context is.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (18 children)

    Anarchists are not tankies.

    Also, the reason some leftists supported Assad was a hope to hasten the collapse of US imperialism, which causes massive death and suffering around the world. Criticizing such a stance as misguided is credible only if accompanied by a comparably critical stance against the even more deadly abuses of US imperialism.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    anarchists arent tankies but Lenin Glazers like the admin irrefutably are.

    Criticizing such a stance as misguided is credible only if accompanied by a comparably critical stance against the even more deadly abuses of US imperialism

    there isn't a single anti-Assad anarchist that wouldn't also critique the US. nice try, maybe leave the strawman arguments at the door next time

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (16 children)

    The posted comment never mentions Lenin.

    You are being deliberately dishonest.

    Also, you are the one who just now presented not one, but several straw men.

    When did I imply that "there [is] a single anti-Assad anarchist that wouldn’t also critique the US"? Again, you are being dishonest.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    What an absurd defense.

    Once again, you deflect with an accusation that is completely unsubstantiated, an obvious non sequitur.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    It is on topic, dude. Lenin and tankies are closely related, so are anarchists being tankie glazers.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    It breaks your own rules against derailing threads, and your defense is little more than a word salad of unsubstantiated dogma.

    Anarchists are the strongest critics of authoritarian tendencies of leftism. Anarchists were targets of some of the earliest repression after the October Revolution, and Kropotkin famously fled the Soviet Union as an open and caustic critic of Lenin.

    Anarchists by nature are the strongest critics of any authoritarianism because anarchism entails opposition to all authority.

    Your failure to distinguish between anarchists and authoritarian leftists is ignorant and absurd.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    You don't know or care about historical and actual facts.

    You don't listen, or argue honestly.

    Of course we criticize Hamas, but we also support their struggle to liberate Palestine from occupation, apartheid, and genocide.

    Again, I cannot help if you are unable to parse the nuance, instead of continuing to perceive a conflict.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Again, you are parroting Zionist propaganda. No one should feel compelled to take you seriously.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Israel is a terrorist state that calls as terrorists those who challenge its ambitions of occupation, apartheid, and genocide.

    Being vilified by Israel is not one and the same as being fundamentally wicked.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

    Hamas is labeled terrorist because it was assigned the label by Israel.

    Hamas is terrorist only as much as one terrorist entity is credible to decide exactly which groups or factions are terrorist.

    More generally, terrorist simply is a label states assign to their non-state enemies.

    By the same standards, the Continental Army would be terrorist, as would be essentially every belligerent that has engaged in anti-colonial struggle.

    Regardless, it should be concrete facts, not abstract labels, that are used to support arguments and conclusions.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

    Hamas is labeled terrorist because

    False. Hamas is labeled terrorist for performing acts of terrorism.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Once again, your argument is circular and inane.

    Once again, you demonstrate zero knowledge of what those words mean.

    The fact is that Israel labels Hamas as terrorist, because doing so function in service of its state interests

    True.

    However, Israel has no credibility, and all of its claims should be strongly scrutinized.

    Also true.

    Hamas is also a terrorist organization.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (10 children)

    There is no excusing rape and murder of civilians. You can't handwave such atrocities as imperfection

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    You're posting hasbara again, and what's more is it's "every accusation is a confession" shit with a growing mountain of evidence that Israel military forces like the IDF and IOF use sexual violence to terrorize Palestinian civilians as well as incoming aid workers trying to help starving children.

    Please stop re-perpetuating this harmful and wrong misinformation.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)

    I don't support Israel or IDF, they can go suck a bag of dicks lol

    But surely you can acknowledge that the rape and murder of civilians isn't resistance?

    why is it so hard for yanks to understand that both things can be bad

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (65 children)

    Anarchists are not tankies.

    Campism is support, usually largely uncritical, for imperialist powers opposed to the US, in spite of such supporters identifying as leftists, who oppose all imperialism. Critical support for a tiny, oppressed resistance movement fighting apartheid and genocide is not campism.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (62 children)

    Hey now, Instance rule "be respectful," buddy -- As per your report

    Are you defending Hamas or are in support of Hamas? Should be a pretty easy answer, yeah?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (51 children)

    What fucking capacity? People like you keep parroting this like it's some gospel truth when it's nothing more than made up nonsense. They have showed ZERO resistance to Israel. They can't even do as much as to even scratch an IDF tank.

    Literally all they were able to muster in 20 long years is launch weak rockets that hit nothing and a few terrorist attacks against civilians, and every time Israel beats the shit out of them in retaliation. Their existence is literally a net a negative on the Palestinian population because every time they instigate something new, it's the Palestinian civilians that suffer.

    It's been just a bit over 2 years since Oct 7, 2023 when Israel started raining hell on Gaza... What has Hamas done to resist since? Seriously, tell me. I'm giving it to you because I don't see it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (47 children)

    So you can't answer me? It's just as I thought. You brainlessly just repeat the same shit again and again like a drone. There's no substance or thought into it whatsoever. You don't seem to understand that repeating the same bullshit endlessly isn't going to change anything, it's still invalid. I literally gave a chance to give your case and you can't. My point stands because it's true.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    You can't answer my question because you don't have an answer, and the reason for that is that you know you're lying and can't admit it.

    I asked a very simple, direct, and straightforward question. It's not a loaded question, it's very much relevant, and it's literally the reason why we're having the discussion. I'm literally asking you to back up your claims, and you just can't do it.

    Unlike you, I actually gave my explanation. I actually provided examples and went in depth, and I gave you multiple chances to do the same, but you chose not to. The fact that you're trying so hard to weasel out of this question like greasy rat instead of just directly addressing it tells me that you won't ever actually provide anything ever.

    At this point I'm 95% sure you're a troll.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Actually read the article you posted because you clearly don't know what the fallacy even is.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    A strawman is a specific fallacy where a person intentionally misinterprets someone's agruement and then agrues against that misinterpretation. I did no such thing. Again, read the link you posted.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Blah blah blah more incoherent ramblings from the moron who refuses to defend the very claims they're parroting. At this point you're just wasting my time. I can already tell that you're full of shit, you know you are, and you have no intention of actually getting back on topic. Go troll elsewhere.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    You know what you wrote. Stop being obstinate.

    I stand by my characterizations, regarding the allegations you repeated, as well as regarding issues more personal.

    The truth is we don't know what happened, and you find it hard to accept a world with uncertainty and nuance.

    You find it hard to accept that there is not always a clear path to proving yourself right and proving someone else wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    you get lost lol

    it's my community, why shouldn't I just boot ya?

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