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[–] egrets@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

I guess they're either talking about the writing system (kanji) or loanwords from Sinitic languages? Either way, it doesn't support the argument in a substantial way.

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[–] xep@discuss.online 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

Ramen is widely a considered to be a "Chinese" dish here, so that much I think you can let slide, although it bears little resemblance of any kind of Chinese noodle dish I can think of. As far as I know, it originated from Chinese restaurants in Japan during the Bakumatsu to Meiji era.

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social [S] 3 points 10 months ago

Not so much upset about ramen being considered Chinese so much as "Japanese culture is just Chinese culture because of a shared dish"

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[–] thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Oh man you are in for a rocky time when you learn how to actually talk to a Japanese person.

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[–] xep@discuss.online 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

He's not going to be able to speak to any Japanese person in Chinese, if that's what you believe will happen.

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[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago

Very likely the rocky time they were referring to.

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[–] msage@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Sino-Japanese vocabulary

Cultural imports

Ramen - origin

Second Sino-Japanese War

I'm not sure what are you 'what'ing me about.

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[–] xep@discuss.online 15 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

So English is stolen from French? Loanwords are exactly that. As Pugjesus has mentioned, Japanese isn't even from the same language family as Chinese.

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[–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago

And also yes, like nobody argues that english is some miracle new language, every linguist knows it's a mashup of other languages.

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[–] msage@programming.dev 1 point 10 months ago

60% is a significant portion.

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago*

The Sino-Japanese vocabulary page has this very important point:

It has been estimated that about 60% of the words contained in modern Japanese dictionaries are kango,[1] and that about 18–20% of words used in common speech are kango.[a] The usage of such kango words increases in formal or literary contexts, and in expressions of abstract or complex ideas.[2]