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[–] 30 points 10 months ago (31 children)

and my dad replies, “Great.” That looks passive aggressive

What about it makes it look passive aggressive? How would excluding punctuation make it not look passive aggressive?

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago* (20 children)

    It's the explicit inclusion of period where 'normally' there wouldn't be one. In texting or DMs it would normally be assumed that one-liners wouldn't contain punctuation except to enhance effect, so the inclusion of the full stop is being read as a 😐 or exaggerated neutrality

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (18 children)

    It’s the explicit inclusion of period where ‘normally’ there wouldn’t be one.

    But given the larger history of textual communication, full punctuation is normal. Texting isn't charged per character so it's not like there's a benefit to leaving it out.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Texting isn't charged per character anymore, and only in most places most of the time. And those habits may still persist in other places. My manner of 'speech' is very different in front of a keyboard vs on a phone, for instance.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Texting used to be done with a number pad, so going as far as adding a period used to be a statement. Obviously we all have keyboards now, but I’m sure some of that still translates over to today.

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    dude/ette

    read some fukan poetry OK thanks

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

    If poetry text
    Is how you commune with friends
    Passive aggressive.

    edit: fixed the formatting, and my keyboard unironically took my double-tap on space to add periods for me! 😅

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    and my keyboard unironically took my double-tap on space to add periods for me!

    Markdown also permits a trailing backslash to be a linebreak, as an alternative to the two trailing spaces.

    foo\
    bar
    

    yields

    foo
    bar

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Does Lemmy need the double space? This isn't Reddit after all, and it's the only Markdown implementation I've seen with that requirement for line breaks.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (3 children)

    No, baron, I was just pointing out that there are lots of different rules depending on the medium and genre and participants. le sigh

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    What about it makes it look passive aggressive?

    Good question!

    As I explained later in the post, “Great.” looks like sarcasm. My brain interprets it as having a sarcastic tone, and thus being passive aggressive.

    (I am not alone in this, hence the very thing we’re commenting on.)

    How would excluding punctuation make it not look passive aggressive?

    You might as well ask why tone of voice changes the way we interpret things. Written short-form communication has evolved cultural norms that some people understand better than others, just like spoken communication. Chalk my tone interpretation up to an adolescence spent on IRC.

    My point is that the full stop being passive aggressive is contextual. None of my uses of it here are intended to portray passive aggression or sarcasm, and if I wanted to do that I would not only change my sentence length and structure, but also my vocabulary.

    But of course these norms aren’t as readily understood as actual tone of voice, which is why things like “/s” can be useful.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    First off, thanks for humoring me.

    As I explained later in the post, “Great.” looks like sarcasm. My brain interprets it as having a sarcastic tone, and thus being passive aggressive. (I am not alone in this, hence the very thing we’re commenting on.)

    I get that it's a common interpretation amongst a demographic.

    You might as well ask why tone of voice changes the way we interpret things

    Eh, vocal changes carry actual physical changes in the sound waves which non-hearing-impaired persons can perceive, so I don't quite think it's an apt comparison. But I understand your intent in doing so.

    But of course these norms aren’t as readily understood as actual tone of voice, which is why things like “/s” can be useful.

    Precisely why it seems odd to me to interpret the use of the basic of punctuation whose literary meaning hasn't ever carried an absence of express indicator of emotional intent to be negative.

    Again, thanks for engaging with me on it, even though I still don't get it.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I think it is because short form texts like IMs/SMS/irc are more like spoken language than written language. And if somebody talks to you and ends a sentence with "period", the meaning/feeling of the sentence changes.

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