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No, please (lemmy.world)
submitted 11 months ago by to c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world
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[–] 17 points 11 months ago (16 children)

Liberals are not leftists.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    EVEN IN YOUR OWN FUCKING COUNTRY a self styled socialist just won an election in New York City. Honestly man? You’re just plain ass wrong.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Well good for you, you’re still ridiculously wrong.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, because they all got crushed after their democratically elected leaders got removed and often killed or imprisoned during the entire Cold War. Also leftists are starting to win elections again quite regularly in South America, so I’m starting to think you just don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The flaw being that when a small country starts trying to determine their own self governance that a far larger and more powerful country can crush it? Also, that argument falls down when you look at places like China and Cuba and DPRK and Venezuela still persist, and even demsoc countries like Norway are still flourishing.

    Also no, saying “these countries are winning elections but leftists don’t win elections” is not the genius argument you think it is. I don’t even understand how you think that could be an argument.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Do they win elections though? When they do nothing with that win other than shift further to the right and lock in right wing policy with their ratchet effect, it's not a win but a capitulation

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    In the USA. There are other countries. Like at least ten.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Winning elections by itself doesn’t defeat fascism. Most of the countries that won by elections during the Cold War had their leaders deposed and had fascists installed because they were helpful to US interests. That is the entire point of this post. Just voting doesnt do fuck all to stop fascism.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Right, so after voting doesn’t work, and a fascist state is installed, you just allow fascism to take hold until the next time you get to vote? If you do?

    Also I can’t think of a single time that fascism has won a legitimate democratic election. But feel free to enlighten me and I’ll get back to you about it tomorrow. Maybe I’m wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    I’m sorry but this annoys the shit out of me when people in white imperialist countries say this shit. Leftists have won elections in so many countries but the Americanized idea that you can’t be left of liberal if you want to win elections in a moronic party system that has only been imposed and perpetuated by THIS EXACT LINE OF THINKING is frustrating as fuck for those of us who don’t live there.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Not true historically, just recently in the US. But it’s also hard for a leftist to vote left when there’s literally no leftist party. One might say, by definition, impossible.

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    You don’t understand how the American party system works my friend.

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