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[+] -13 points 11 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yes. Voting is useful for showing solidarity with the movement and demonstrating how the current system doesn't work. Just because it isn't capable of causing any meaningful change doesn't mean it's useless.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Just because it isn't capable of causing any meaningful change doesn't mean it's useless.

    I see a lot of folks on .ml and .hexbear not understand this part. It's like all change must be meaningful, and if it's not then it's not worth our time.

    Lenin taught us that we need to build within the system of the masses in order to tip them over, not overturn it outright. There is a specific time and place for when change is the most impactful

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  • [+] 5 points 11 months ago (9 children)
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    You're right, I dont know that they are a psyop. I do, however, know that the position of 'voting is not worthwhile if you are a leftist' that they are taking above is the same position that many psyops would like to have in the minds of leftists. Put more simply, what might they have said differently if they were a psyop? Nothing, I presume.

    It is better to root out psyop talking points that diminish our ability to form a collective voice, than it is to allow foolish notions like 'dont vote' to continue in our spaces.

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  • [+] 7 points 11 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Im literally just telling folks to not engage in the same behavior that the fascists hope we engage in.

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  • [+] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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    Fascists spend hundreds of millions on each election cycle. Clearly they care

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  • [+] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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    If you categorically discount the people in politics, our most visible rhetorical speakers, as being part of a consent manfactury, how do you suppose we will ever aquire the broad appeal necessary to build a large coalition of workers? Unions are not up to the task in 2025 (in part due to political decisions that have weakened them)

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  • [+] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Okay, I think we are going to continue to disagree. I understand that your position is to support thr PSL in leu of either the DNC and GOP. I dont expect you to engage further. My final pushback is that PSL does not hold seats or win elections to my knowledge, and if they aren't holding seats, they are not serving an electoral function for us.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago
    1. I don’t care what fascists hope.
    2. If fascists say the sky is blue, does that make it a “fascist talking point,” and therefore isn’t blue? That’s just not how it works.
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