To be clear, I'm not advocating for online age verification. I'm very much against it in any form. I'm just curious from a technical standpoint if it's possible somehow to construct an accurate age verification system that doesn't compromise a user's privacy? i.e., it doesn't expose the person's identity to anyone nor leaves behind a paper trail that can be traced to that person?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 137 points 11 months ago (14 children)

In principle it should be possible to do a zero-knowledge proof.

This means that the website asking for age verification asks a yes/no question like "Is this user 18+?" and the age verification service (like a digital ID provided by the government or whatever) answers "yes" or "no" accordingly, but without telling anything else about the user. Also, the verification service should ideally not know who asked for the age verification.

So the site you want to visit only knows the thing they need to know: Whether you are 18+ or not. Nothing else. And the age verification service only knows somebody asked for age verification and provided the answer, but do not know which site you visited.

This is all possible, but I don't have high hopes this is the intended implementation of any government seeking age verification, so don't get your hopes up.

  • source
  • hideshow 14 child comments
  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    There are some pretty strong arguments that even zk proof is a flawed way of preserving privacy though, in a variety of ways. It prevents pseudonymity by enabling one-user-one-account, and it leaves users vulnerable to being coerced to reveal their full online activities by handing over cryptographic keys.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Got ready to read some bullshit,

    Vitalik Buterin

    nevermind. But damn, what a great read. I haven't given much thought to on-chain ID in years and he lays it out pretty well. Still sounds like encrypted tokens are the way to go, but we all need to have multiple forms for it to protect anonymity.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The one who asked the verification service also shouldn't know who the verification service is, imho.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure that is feasible, because in order to trust the answer, I feel the asker must know and trust the one providing the answer. It sounds like you're imagining a system with many different ID providers? What prevents me from creating my own provider that just answers "Yes", even for people under 18? If the site asking does not know it is my fake ID service providing the answer, I'm not sure they can trust any answer.

    But I won't pretend to be an expert on this topic, so perhaps it is feasible somehow.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    the asker must know and trust the one providing the answer.

    This is possible if there's a central authority for that that everyone can agree to trust, like the government records directly. The issue is ensuring the rest of the chain remains anonymous so the only thing the authority gets is the request that an undisclosed service is verifying John Doe is 18+ and nothing else. And that's not something many governments are going to want to allow with the increasingly alarming amount of authoritarian leadership.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    Or the government sets up an age verification service that doesn't store logs and only reports numbers in aggregate. The restricted site sends you and a unique id off to the government service, you verify there and it hands back the id & a yes/no token to the site.

    The government already has nearly all the tools to make this happen. They already have id verification services to use & web front ends to copy. Just build the public API and insist restricted sites use it.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    doesn't this just raise the authentication requirements? like in the uk we got added checks for who was could work, and lots of deliveroo drivers shared the login + password of someone they knew who was verified.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    You could make it single-use tokens and rate limit individual users when they request too many tokens in a short time. Someone could still share their tokens with a friend, but it doesn't scale to where thousands are verifying with some stranger's id.

  • source
  • parent