Please keep your racist comments to yourself, this is about these 2 people as individuals.

They're both just arguing semantics, but 1 refuses to elaborate at all and cries about bullying and antisemitism for the slightest pushback.

The other has a point, but on being called antisemitic he has to point out him being a proud Zionist.

If they didn't deserve each other, this would be actually infuriating.

Mastodon screenshot: Person 1 Welcome to Jewish erasure season where many Christians pretend that Jesus wasn't Jewish and a whole bunch of other people pretend that he was a "Palestinian". Person 2 no contradiction. Judaism was his religion Palestine is one of the many names of the place he lived in (he probably referred to himself as a Judean)  just like people calling you Canadian are not wrong just because you're Jewish Person 1 Wow, there's so much wrong (and even just slightly antisemitic) with what you said that I don't even know where to begin. 3 The fundamental error in thinking is that you all talk about Jews, Christians, Palestinians, and NOT about human beings. Person 1 The "fundamental error in thinking" is that you are bullying a Jew talking about antisemitism. Now go away. Red box labled "Bonus" Person 2 I don't think you got me right  I'm a proud Jew, a proud Israeli, and a proud Zionist. I have never been accused of antisemitism.
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[–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I have never really discussed Jesus' religion irl, mostly because I don't care, but I see your UN and I have been curious, why would Mary/Joseph/jesus not also be considered Christian Jews? Were they not the first to accept Jesus as a new prophet? I understand he probably was raised Jewish, but seeing as his core religious belief was not accepted into general Jewish faith, is he not at least the founder of Christianity? I figure at the time it made sense to not have a direct divide because Jews didn't have the time yet to decide if Jesus was the real thing or not, but if Jesus was able to be on the TV/radio at the time and the majority of Jews rejected him as the messiah immediately, would they still use that interim term? I understand that the term Jewish encompasses a large cultural element, but as far as religious identity, it feels strange to group people who believe Jesus was the son of god with people who think that's a lie and heretical.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    Oh I mean, certainly they would be, right? It's just Abrahamic monotheism plus the wise words of big J (who didn't even like to be called "good" and prayed often asking God for help!). I guess you could say Jesus went against some of the mores of the time and religious adjacent things, kinda like someone going against the 5 daily prayers in Sunni Islam, but he never went against the basic concept of "God exists, he's good and he will judge us for our deeds" so idk if I can take him away from Judaism/Abrahamic monotheism, he was just a reformer of the things surrounding it like religious misogyny and quickness for judgment, for instance. Regardless, he was a "Jew" of the time, idk if some uneducated folk believe he just woke up one day in a vacuum and said "hey here's me and here's the whole Bible and a brand new religion, enjoy!" 😅

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Thank you for clarifying. I stay away from religious stuff for the most part now, but it's interesting to see where the lines are drawn between sects. Totally understand why having a new name etc makes sense mostly after there's an established religious text and doctrine, which at the time of Jesus there would not have been. Appreciate the response.

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