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Almost 100,000 young men flee Ukraine in two months (www.telegraph.co.uk)
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[+] -8 points 1 year ago (41 children)

Russia is winning now, and hasn't fielded the "real kit" either. NATO just does not have the productive capacity to field a long term war. I'm not sure why warmongers like yourself keep thinking there's going to be a grand turning point, in a decade when we look back on this event I fear the warmongers will say they knew the outcome all along.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    the warmongers will say they knew the outcome all along.

    Ukraine war was instigated to eliminate nordstream and capture EU to US energy before renewables could take hold. Also sweet weapons profits. Absolutely the theater of it has a predetermined plot ending with Russia winning. The goal was to make that last 10+ years. Any end to any war is a defeat for US energy and weapons profits.

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago (27 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (26 children)

    Not at all, and I don't think ableism is a substitute for a point. I want the war to end, which means peace talks now and concessions from Ukraine.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    Why should they concede anything. They’re a sovereign nation, and owe nothing. The war can end right now by Russia returning back whence it came.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    Because they are losing the war. The world does not run on Marvel-logic, Russia isn't going to stop until their stated goals are met.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    They may be “losing”. But Russia isn’t entirely “winning” either.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Russia is winning, that much is clear at this point.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    How much ground does Russia have now at day 1000 ish vs day 3 of their invasion of a sovereign nation?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    They currently have all of Donetsk and Luhansk, and are gradually encircling Kiev's forces in the other 2 oblasts.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Such mad gains for over a million casualties

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    And Ukraine is stalling the inevitable, when all of this could have been avoided had peace talks not been sabotaged months into the war by the US and UK.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    lol they weren’t sabotaged.

    Peace talks after being invaded saying give us your land and we will stop hitting you are not peace talks. It would spur them on to do the same to other nations around Ukraine.

    You really need to learn how to spot propaganda.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    They were sabotaged. Ukraine was ready to make concessions, but the UK and US stepped in and said no. These were absolutely peace talks, as they would have ended the conflict.

    I know full-well how to spot propaganda, anything trying to convince someone of something is propaganda. Reading through bias and analyzing the source facts is necessary.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (13 children)

    Ukraine absolutely was not. They were never going to let Russia just invade them and take land. That’s a fallacy.

    They may have done in 2014 under a pro-Russia government when they weren’t prepared but this time they were.

    There is zero evidence of the peace talks nor of Us and UK sabotaging them or telling them to not accept. That is disinformation.

    Russia has not sued for peace. Any time they have approached potential talks especially with the Orangutan, Russia have attacked harder both pre and post “negotiations”.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    It isn't disinformation, it's proven fact. You can't just say reality doesn't exist and that Russia is going to turn around while they are winning, life is not a marvel movie.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I didn’t say they would. I said they should.

    What has a marvel movie got to do with anything? Superheroes aren’t real.

    While we are posting links. Here. https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/us-and-boris-johnson-forced-ukraine-not-to-sign-the-peace-deal-in-istanbul/

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Russia isn't going to do whatever you personally want them to, especially when they are on track to get all of their stated goals accomplished. "Should" doesn't mean anything.

    Further, more sources on the west sabotaging peace talks:

    Linking a right-wing website trying to depict everything as kremlin propaganda doesn't overtake the facts.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Wait, my link was right wing?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Yes, it's a pro-EU, pro-NATO source.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    And that’s right wing to you is it

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Definitionally, yes. The EU and NATO are right-wing, imperialist coalitions that expropriate vast sums of wealth from the global south. All of them are dictatorships of capital.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Lot of words there. And if I told you Russia was the right wing and the EU was the left, how would that alter your world view?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It wouldn't. Russia is right wing, and so is the EU.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ok yeah I walked in to that one. Everything will be right wing to a full on communist. Curious though, what is China? They’ve got to be centre considering they’re essentially a capitalist-communist hybrid.

    I was meaning more what we would typically refer to as “right” wing being the parties in charge ie Trump, Putin, Orban etc. The EU for the most part is considered “left”. An economic and political union trying to do good by all its members, free movement, free trade, free market, rules and regulations, legislations and protections for its people and the rule of law etc. it has its faults sure but it is quite social leaning.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    China is socialist, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned, and the working class is in control. It's left wing. They have markets, but that doesn't make them a "hybrid," it just means they are at the developing stage of socialism.

    The EU is a cabal of imperialist countries. All of the niceties in the EU are founded primarily off the backs of exploiting the global south. Taking a firm stance against imperialism requires that the EU essentially give up its super-profits.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh, now it’s a war again. Before that you called it a special military operation. At least you are learning. Slowly, but hey: baby steps.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    They largely mean the same thing. Russia calls it the SMO, others call it the Russo-Ukrainian War, etc. It doesn't really matter what it's called, I've used the two interchangeably.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Why do you think NATO would need a long term war to deal with Russia?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    There is nothing militarily nato can do. Even if different countries wanted to help more and actually fielded armies, it would be a stalemate. Only a political solution will work.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Because it can't win a short-term war unless it goes nuclear, and then everyone loses.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    And why can't it win a short-term war?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Because it doesn't have the power to take down an industrialized nuclear power like Russia in a short term war. I don't see what you're imagining here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Last time they tried our grandparents took 105 days to beat Russia with very little formal military and even less hardware. Sure, we had some help back then too, but today it's on a whole different level. And we're just a single small country up north, NATO as a whole is quite a bit bigger.

    Russia currently has lost million soldiers and stockpiles of soviet relics are pretty much empty with a strong breeze away from total economy collapse. They don't have power to conquer a potato field from a modern western country right now, much less against the whole global west.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    This is entirely divorced from reality. Modern western countries have hollowed out their industry, and can't fight a true war against a peer country that's actually industrialized. Russia's economy is doing well, and they have strong trade through BRICS.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What makes you think they don't have the power

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because western countries do not have the industrial capacity for a long-term war nor the ability to topple a country as large as Russia in the short term.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You are a master at dodging the question, I'll give you that!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I never dodged anything. No power on the planet has the ability to overtake a country as large as Russia, a nuclear-armed Russia at that, in a short-term war. Invading Russia is notoriously difficult, and the neighboring countries with land bridges do not have the ability to field a large offensive, except China, which is an ally.

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