Tis a silly place
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 6 points 1 year ago (57 children)

It's a beacon of prosperity when there are anti suicide nets at foxcon? Or like the 996? Run by a dictator, also committing genocide isn't very prosperous. My interactions have been " if it's western propaganda it's entirely false, but Chinese or Russian propaganda is entirely true"

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 57 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (40 children)

    Lifting 800 million people out of poverty is more than economic system has ever done.

    What genocide?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 40 child comments
  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (39 children)

    800 million people out of poverty is a stretch but if you wanted to make that claim, it's because the west spent so much money to get goods from China. And the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 39 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    800 million people out of poverty is a stretch but if you wanted to make that claim

    Yeah, where do these stupid tankies get these numbers anyway? I'm sure China says they lifted 800 million kajillion people out of poverty or whatever, but let's see what a western source like, say, The World Bank has to say about it.

    it’s because the west spent so much money to get goods from China.

    I swear these arguments get worse every day. You could just as easily say that the only reason the West has so much stuff is because China made it for them for cheap.

    Wait, that's actually a much more coherent argument lol.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    The world bank? My person they are quoting the Chinese propaganda.

    I see. So The World Bank is also in on the communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.

    The west had lots of stuff after ww2, they got more cheaper stuff when they offshored it to China that’s the coherent argument

    "You only made a bunch of money because you produced stuff people wanted to buy" is not the own you think it is.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    You can literally go to Xinjiang and visit mosques with Uyghurs praying in them. There is no genocide.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 32 child comments
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (24 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Except you can't go visit. And there is clear evidence.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 23 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (22 children)

    Yeah there is pretty clear evidence of what China is doing

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 22 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (11 children)
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Did you fucking read the summary?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Yes, they’re still trying to push the lie even as they admit they can’t back up their claims.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    It's your fucking source that there was no genocide lol

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yes, and I’m accurately describing it. Admitting they didn’t have proof of genocide, then doubling down on the lie again. They’ve since abandoned even those claims, because the facilities no longer exist.

    Which is why there are no current sources to reference. You’re pushing a 10 year old lie that even the west gave up on.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Your screenshot is from a CIA thinktank, admits the facilities were closed, and now claims that China celebrating Uyghur culture is a bad thing. Hahahahaha.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You obviously did not read the actual article. It says the facilities have been long closed. It also admits they lied about the cultural erasure claims, and that now China’s celebration of Uyghur culture is a bad thing.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    To clarify, what are you saying should happen to a country with half a million people in prisons? All countries, or just communist countries?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I'm still not clear on what exactly it is china is supposed to be doing, is it genocide? How are they doing it and for what purpose?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Not putting people into what is effectively a residential school.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    oh yay, that's the first time someone didn't reply with ominous "human rights violations". So they are forcing uighur children to attend boarding schools far away from their own cultures? How do you know this? And why go to all that trouble?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    UN woud be amazing, amnesty international usually cites sources, like anything like that would be amazing. Racism and authoritarianism are tools used by the oppressors, not the motivators. The lost generations in canada, pissrael and australia were to further a genocide of the native population in order to settle their land. A clear economic motivator. I don't see a similar motive for china.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's the same link twice, it doesn't say anything about residential schools. There are two sources cited in the wikipedia article, one is Zenz from 2021 (of course) and the other a single financial times article from 2018 that cites no sources except US officials and some guy that left his home years ago to pursue a degree in Pissrael.

    Compare that with what I see on xiaohongshu where Uighurs share their culture, language, traditions etc. and can you at least understand why this doesn't really sound convincing to me?

    A residential school system that has allegedly abducted thousands of children for over 7 years now and the best source wikipedia has to offer is a years old financial times article that isn't even a real witness testimony?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's a bit tiring to do the source work myself tbh, I'll respond more later but again the first article you shared has nothing about schools. The UN report it's based on like 3 links further has some information about schools, doesn't seem to be boarding schools but I'll look into it later:

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf

    The other article is again mostly US state propaganda that is just stuff like

    More than one million Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities, including ethnic Kazakhs and Uzbeks, have been detained since 2017, according to international researchers and U.S. government officials. (Some watchdog groups put more recent estimates closer to 1.8 million)

    One million is quite the number, yet there never seems to be any concrete evidence supporting this. Satellite images don't count, not since the "WMDs in Iraq". I'm gonna bet "international researchers" is again just Zenz. The "watchdog group" links to an article by rfa, so it's literally just the CIA. Like what the fuck is this, why are the only like a dozen Uyghur people protesting this and why is constantly pushed by the US state departement, CIA and the likes who have never once cared about foreigners ever??

    The only thing about schools again is

    Many families have also reported that their children were taken to boarding schools without their consent.

    It links to this https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/09/china-xinjiangs-forced-separations-and-language-policies-uyghur-children which clearly states at the bottom

    Special Procedures’ experts work on a voluntary basis; they are not UN staff and do not receive a salary for their work. They are independent from any government or organization and serve in their individual capacity.

    and is a few paragraphs like

    The experts received information about large-scale removal of children, mainly Uyghur,

    What information?? Witness testimony? Pictures? What's large-scale? Dozens, hundreds, thousands, millions?

    Why is it so difficult to pin down actual verifiable evidence. Or witness testimonies. Any group oppressed historically had solidarity movements, jews during the holocaust, palestinians, native americans, where are the uyghur grassroots movements?

    Can you at least understand why a skeptical reading of these allegations leaves a lot to be desired?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • load more comments (1 reply)
  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Turns out you can't go there to investigate, I wonder why? https://ishr.ch/latest-updates/china-two-years-after-xinjiang-findings-un-rights-chief-reports-limited-access-to-information-reprisals-against-activists/

    Why are you so adamantly defending a country which abducts people for their beliefs? (Don't come at me with "but murica does the same!!!") The world is not the USA.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think you posted the wrong link. That doesn't disprove that you can go to Xinjiang and see Uyghurs in mosques.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You're just another genocide denier. Goodbye.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    There's no denying. It just doesn't exist.

    There's a genocide going on in Gaza. You aren't allowed to go there and yet brave people still do and Israel shoots those that try.

    You can go to Xinjiang. You can see and interact with Uyghurs. You can find them praying at their mosques.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They didn’t “abduct people for their beliefs.” They had to reeducate a population that had been radicalized by western intelligence. Now the facilities no longer exist, they’ve been reintegrated, and the west was forced to admit they had no proof of their claims.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    anti suicide nets

    Should they just let people kill themselves?

    996

    Is illegal

    Committing genocide

    The UN did not find genocide only human rights abuses at best. You can go to China, you can go to a mosque and talk to Uyghurs there.

    Meanwhile the west is funding a real genocide in Gaza. You can't go there to film the atrocities being committed and brave people still try. Israel has killed more journalists in their genocide than ww2

    Dictator

    2024 democracy perception chart

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 15 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Should they just let people kill themselves?

    Or maybe if it's so prosperous people wouldn't want to work in a place where they want to kill themselves.

    Is illegal

    That has never stopped authoritarian governments lol

    Ok sorry ethnic cleansing isn't genocide, sorry....

    And you think I'm supporting the west's genocide in palestine? Nah miss me with that shit

    Dictator

    Yeah dawg I saw the source of that and I was banned in an .ml instance for saying "hows life in north Korea?" "Can't complain" lol

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 14 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Or maybe if it's so prosperous people wouldn't want to work in a place where they want to kill themselves.

    America has a higher suicide rate lol

    That has never stopped authoritarian governments lol

    I don't understand what you're saying. The 996 thing does exist but it was made illegal. Sometimes private companies try to make workers do more hours illegally.

    Ok sorry ethnic cleansing isn't genocide, sorry....

    They didn't find ethnic cleansing either. Again, you can go to Xinjiang and visit mosques with Uyghurs praying in them. So yeah ethnic cleaning ain't happening.

    And you think I'm supporting the west's genocide in palestine? Nah miss me with that shit

    You brought up the genocide to someone speaking positively of China. But the only ones doing genocide are the west. China does a bunch of bad shit it isn't perfect but if genocide is the criteria we're running with then China is the lesser evil.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 13 child comments
  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    America has a higher suicide rate lol

    K? Do they have suicide nets at factories?

    They didn't find ethnic cleansing either. Again, you can go to Xinjiang and visit mosques with Uyghurs praying in them. So yeah ethnic cleaning ain't happening.

    Who's "they" ?

    You brought up the genocide to someone speaking positively of China. But the only ones doing genocide are the west. China does a bunch of bad shit it isn't perfect but if genocide is the criteria we're running with then China is the lesser evil.

    Nah china's treatment of a Uyghurs is cultural genocide, China does do a lot of bad shit, and isn't perfect, the western governments are also fucking horrible.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 12 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    K? Do they have suicide nets at factories?

    Are you suggesting America doesn't do enough to prevent suicides? I agree.

    Who's "they" ?

    The UN

    Nah china's treatment of a Uyghurs is cultural genocide, China does do a lot of bad shit, and isn't perfect, the western governments are also fucking horrible.

    Oh so now it's a cultural genocide. Ok. So how do you explain that anyone is free to go to Xinjiang and see Uyghurs in Mosques speaking their own language if they're being culturally genocided?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 11 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    Are you suggesting America doesn't do enough to prevent suicides?

    I agree. Two things can be true.

    The UN

    Oh sorry it's just human rights violations, just like it wasn't genocide in Palestine until the tide eventually turned on Israel fucking joke

    Oh so now it's a cultural genocide. Ok. So how do you explain that anyone is free to go to Xinjiang and see Uyghurs in Mosques speaking their own language if they're being culturally genocided?

    Everyone is free except for the over one million Uyghurs who had went to camps, beaten, raped and starved. And the over 500k of them that are still in prison just for being Uyghurs, super fucking free. Genocide is more than one thing. Jfc

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 10 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (9 children)

    Yeah human rights abuses. After all that whining about genocide. China doesn't treat minority prisoners well. Funny same could be said of a lot of countries.

    No genocide was found and the camps were shut down in 2017 yet whenever someone mentions something remotely positive of China there's always that one idiotic comment. "But uyghur genocide". Because this whole thing is nothing but anti-chinese propaganda and it's been very effective.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Right clearly none of this happened. The "camps were shutdown" yet a huge amount of uyghurs remain in jail for being Uyghurs. It's not anti Chinese propaganda, it's recognizing that a state is trying to cleanse a certain group of people, and there are always idiotic people defending that.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Listen, dumbass.

    They are not in jail for being Uyghurs.

    For the millionth time. If that were the case then why is it you can just go to Xianjang find a mosque full of Uyghurs and go "yo whats up".

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You know you've really made your point when you resort to calling people dumb ass. So the 500k Uyghurs are in prison for what exactly? For the millionth time the Chinese have done and continue to do horrible things to the Uyghurs and have faced no real repercussion. Jfc you sound exactly like the kind of people who say "ya know slavery wasn't all that bad!"

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yes you are a dumbass. There exists a place you can go to and see for yourself regular ass people and simultaneously you think they're being genocided. They're in prison because they're either regular ass criminals, terrorists or unjustly imprisoned like with what happens in basically every country because prisons tend to suck. What of the other ten and a half million Uyghurs not imprisoned? And I even admitted there was human rights abuses but you still accuse me of being like someone who thinks slavery wasn't a big deal. You're a deeply unserious person.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Right 4% of the population (all that's reported) is in prison, plus the "reeducation camps" aren't enough for you. Did you know there were Palestinians living somewhat normal lives while a genocide was going on? I guess the first nations didn't have a genocide against them because some where living "regular lives" while the residential schools were going on. Places you could go an see for yourself! Quite the opposite I'm very serious about how the governments are fucking over their populations, and don't try to make excuses for them at every corner.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Same with America's black population 🤔

    Also the fuck are you talking about. The destruction of Gaza can be be seen from space dude.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Same with America's black population 🤔

    Duh

    Yes I know that a huge amount of the population was displaced, and the genocide destroyed countless lives, there were some corners that were somewhat untouched

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is America genociding black people?

    And yeah their might still be some spots in Gaza not bombed. You can't go their to find them and you'll get shot if you tried.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Is America genociding black people?

    Theres quite a few who would be very happy to. But ya know systematic racism is the next best thing they can do.

    And yeah their might still be some spots in Gaza not bombed. You can't go their to find them and you'll get shot if you tried.

    Israel will shoot anything that moves

  • source
  • parent