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[–] 6 points 1 year ago (40 children)

Lifting 800 million people out of poverty is more than economic system has ever done.

What genocide?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (39 children)

    800 million people out of poverty is a stretch but if you wanted to make that claim, it's because the west spent so much money to get goods from China. And the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    800 million people out of poverty is a stretch but if you wanted to make that claim

    Yeah, where do these stupid tankies get these numbers anyway? I'm sure China says they lifted 800 million kajillion people out of poverty or whatever, but let's see what a western source like, say, The World Bank has to say about it.

    it’s because the west spent so much money to get goods from China.

    I swear these arguments get worse every day. You could just as easily say that the only reason the West has so much stuff is because China made it for them for cheap.

    Wait, that's actually a much more coherent argument lol.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The world bank? My person they are quoting the Chinese propaganda. The west had lots of stuff after ww2, they got more cheaper stuff when they offshored it to China that's the coherent argument

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    The world bank? My person they are quoting the Chinese propaganda.

    I see. So The World Bank is also in on the communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.

    The west had lots of stuff after ww2, they got more cheaper stuff when they offshored it to China that’s the coherent argument

    "You only made a bunch of money because you produced stuff people wanted to buy" is not the own you think it is.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I see. So The World Bank is also in on the communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.

    What?

    "You only made a bunch of money because you produced stuff people wanted to buy" is not the own you think it is.

    Who said anything about "own"? It's just what happened. Forget the issues that this type of capitalism brought though.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    You can literally go to Xinjiang and visit mosques with Uyghurs praying in them. There is no genocide.

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    Except you can't go visit. And there is clear evidence.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (22 children)

    Yeah there is pretty clear evidence of what China is doing

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    Did you fucking read the summary?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Yes, they’re still trying to push the lie even as they admit they can’t back up their claims.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    It's your fucking source that there was no genocide lol

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yes, and I’m accurately describing it. Admitting they didn’t have proof of genocide, then doubling down on the lie again. They’ve since abandoned even those claims, because the facilities no longer exist.

    Which is why there are no current sources to reference. You’re pushing a 10 year old lie that even the west gave up on.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No you're not the fucking article summary literally says there are evidence of genocide. It's right fucking there. No one has abandoned those claims. There are sources today that still talk about it. It's not a lie just because it's critical of China Oh shit 2025.is a decade ago? You must be a time traveler

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Your screenshot is from a CIA thinktank, admits the facilities were closed, and now claims that China celebrating Uyghur culture is a bad thing. Hahahahaha.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Right since it's not from China it's fake. Hahahahahajaja

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You obviously did not read the actual article. It says the facilities have been long closed. It also admits they lied about the cultural erasure claims, and that now China’s celebration of Uyghur culture is a bad thing.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    To clarify, what are you saying should happen to a country with half a million people in prisons? All countries, or just communist countries?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I'm still not clear on what exactly it is china is supposed to be doing, is it genocide? How are they doing it and for what purpose?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Not putting people into what is effectively a residential school.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    oh yay, that's the first time someone didn't reply with ominous "human rights violations". So they are forcing uighur children to attend boarding schools far away from their own cultures? How do you know this? And why go to all that trouble?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Is there a source that i could show you that you would actually believe? Like the UN? Or amnesty international? Or all the various reporting on it? Why go through the trouble to commit human rights violations? Racism, authoritarianism, etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    UN woud be amazing, amnesty international usually cites sources, like anything like that would be amazing. Racism and authoritarianism are tools used by the oppressors, not the motivators. The lost generations in canada, pissrael and australia were to further a genocide of the native population in order to settle their land. A clear economic motivator. I don't see a similar motive for china.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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    That's the same link twice, it doesn't say anything about residential schools. There are two sources cited in the wikipedia article, one is Zenz from 2021 (of course) and the other a single financial times article from 2018 that cites no sources except US officials and some guy that left his home years ago to pursue a degree in Pissrael.

    Compare that with what I see on xiaohongshu where Uighurs share their culture, language, traditions etc. and can you at least understand why this doesn't really sound convincing to me?

    A residential school system that has allegedly abducted thousands of children for over 7 years now and the best source wikipedia has to offer is a years old financial times article that isn't even a real witness testimony?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    It's a bit tiring to do the source work myself tbh, I'll respond more later but again the first article you shared has nothing about schools. The UN report it's based on like 3 links further has some information about schools, doesn't seem to be boarding schools but I'll look into it later:

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf

    The other article is again mostly US state propaganda that is just stuff like

    More than one million Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities, including ethnic Kazakhs and Uzbeks, have been detained since 2017, according to international researchers and U.S. government officials. (Some watchdog groups put more recent estimates closer to 1.8 million)

    One million is quite the number, yet there never seems to be any concrete evidence supporting this. Satellite images don't count, not since the "WMDs in Iraq". I'm gonna bet "international researchers" is again just Zenz. The "watchdog group" links to an article by rfa, so it's literally just the CIA. Like what the fuck is this, why are the only like a dozen Uyghur people protesting this and why is constantly pushed by the US state departement, CIA and the likes who have never once cared about foreigners ever??

    The only thing about schools again is

    Many families have also reported that their children were taken to boarding schools without their consent.

    It links to this https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/09/china-xinjiangs-forced-separations-and-language-policies-uyghur-children which clearly states at the bottom

    Special Procedures’ experts work on a voluntary basis; they are not UN staff and do not receive a salary for their work. They are independent from any government or organization and serve in their individual capacity.

    and is a few paragraphs like

    The experts received information about large-scale removal of children, mainly Uyghur,

    What information?? Witness testimony? Pictures? What's large-scale? Dozens, hundreds, thousands, millions?

    Why is it so difficult to pin down actual verifiable evidence. Or witness testimonies. Any group oppressed historically had solidarity movements, jews during the holocaust, palestinians, native americans, where are the uyghur grassroots movements?

    Can you at least understand why a skeptical reading of these allegations leaves a lot to be desired?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Turns out you can't go there to investigate, I wonder why? https://ishr.ch/latest-updates/china-two-years-after-xinjiang-findings-un-rights-chief-reports-limited-access-to-information-reprisals-against-activists/

    Why are you so adamantly defending a country which abducts people for their beliefs? (Don't come at me with "but murica does the same!!!") The world is not the USA.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think you posted the wrong link. That doesn't disprove that you can go to Xinjiang and see Uyghurs in mosques.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You're just another genocide denier. Goodbye.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    There's no denying. It just doesn't exist.

    There's a genocide going on in Gaza. You aren't allowed to go there and yet brave people still do and Israel shoots those that try.

    You can go to Xinjiang. You can see and interact with Uyghurs. You can find them praying at their mosques.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They didn’t “abduct people for their beliefs.” They had to reeducate a population that had been radicalized by western intelligence. Now the facilities no longer exist, they’ve been reintegrated, and the west was forced to admit they had no proof of their claims.

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