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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (48 children)

    What value? Can't eat it, makes shitty tools. It's shiny, but I'm not going to trade ny potatoes for shiny in a survival situation.

    You can starve sitting on a pile of gold.

    For gold to be valuable you still need social stability.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago* (23 children)

    Value is what you can get for something. If you can't trade it for something, with anyone, it has zero value.

    A dollar has value because you can trade it for a potato. In an apocalypse, you cannot trade gold for a potato if nobody wants it.

    Value is a subjective thing.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Lots of things are rare. Doesn't mean I'll give you my potatoes for em.

    At best gold becomes something desirable once there's enough security for me to value having pretty things.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's such a psychopathic response. It is not acceptable behavior, and you won't win any arguments that way.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think people forget that gold is incredibly useful especially as a conductor. It's not just for making pretty rings, our modern world as we know it would not exist without gold!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Actually I work with electronics just about daily, and I can tell you lots of connectors get gold plating for corrosion resistance that doesn't effect continuity. But yes in a post apocalypse setting I'm sure it wouldn't be of much value.... In the apocalypse I suspect if any metal holds a high value it would be copper for its usefulness in making tools and electronics. Making bronze tools and weapons is easier than steel so I suspect it would be in very high demand. Hopefully we never have to find out!

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If that were true people would value me

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    What uses gold when you're buying/selling potatoes, nobody will think gold is worth anything if society has collapsed it's just a useless hunk of metal

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    At least I can communicate with people without resorting to petty insults

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why don't you explain it then instead of just calling people stupid?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's more for when things have settled down a bit. Imagine you're leading a group of people who secured a good territory and you're growing more potatoes than you need. You may want jewelry made of gold to show how powerful and prosperous you are, both to your followers and to those outside. And you can give gold to particularily important followers, and to other leaders, in a very public ceremony, to show everyone that those leaders are beneath you.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Totally. I was more commenting on the theory of gold having this magical inherent objective value. Which it doesn't, it's a commodity like any other.

    Honestly as a value store, land is probably better.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Not a chemist myself but Gold has lots of industrial applications because it doesn't react to many other atoms or molecules. For example, it doesn't rust at all. Similar thing goes for platinum. Maybe we should buy the latter..

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    The value of gold lies in the fact that other men may be disposed to work their ass off in order to have some shiny things to gift to women in order to have sex. As you can imagine, the power of gold amongst married couples drastically decreases.

    Besides this... History shows humans always gave value to gold. For some reason we got very used into associating gold with value. As such, it is probably something good to have if economy collapses. But it doesn't really matter if society collapsed.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    Gold is supposed to represent something finite that's hard to dig out of the ground. It's like the antithesis of fiat currency that way. i think of it like a hedge against the dollar like with some cryptos. That said I only think US civilization would collapse while the rest of the world moves on or divvies up its corpse.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    That is valid for many other resources: iron, silicon, carbon, carrots whatever. Gold has always been attributed some special value, throughout history. That is ok. I don't think US civilization is going to collapse, why would you think that?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Gold has always been valued because it has some important attributes that few, if any, other substances have.

    It won't tarnish or oxidize, so it will look just as shiny and beautiful a thousand years from now.

    It is extremely malleable, easily crafted into any shape. It can be hammered thin enough to be a foil, or drawn into a wire as thin as a human hair.

    It has a relatively low melting point, making it easy to cast.

    It is extremely conductive, and is the conductive material of choice when price is no object.

    There are other unique properties, but the point is that much of Gold's value derives from being significantly, even uniquely, different from most other substances, giving it an intrinsic value beyond its monetary value.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I was understand ALL of that, but the point is that Gold carries a significant value over and above its monetary value, and that's part of the reason that it has remained among the most desirable, and most popular, precious metals throughout history.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    The very article linked to this post talks about civilizational collapse of the US similar to the Roman republic.

    Turchin doesn’t track gold but he does track political and societal instability. He believes America has entered what he calls a “revolutionary situation,” where long-running systemic stress can no longer be contained. “It’s not a prophecy,” he said. “It’s modeling feedback loops that repeat with alarming regularity.”

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Gold as a unit of currency is only about 2500 years old. Prior to that it was used heavily in jewelry and adornments. Probably because it's not good for much else and it happens to be fantastic as a jewelry material. It's shiney, doesn't tarnish, and is easy to work with hand tools.

    The association with wealth probably came about as a result of being associated with expensive jewelry.

    To be clear, modern historians do not look for piles of gold to determine relatively how wealthy a society was. They look at their ability to produce grain and other things that facilitated trade. Because gold is only valuable as a mechanism to facilitate trade. To a civilization more worried about feeding itself than foreign luxuries, it's quite worthless.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The value of gold lies in the fact that other men may be disposed to work their ass off in order to have some shiny things to gift to women in order to have sex. As you can imagine, the power of gold amongst married couples drastically decreases.

    Gold is actually useful for things other than jewelry.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Talking in just modern times most any technology uses it. It's used in medicine as nanoparticles for biosensors and cancer treatment (photothermal therapy) as well as targeted medicine delivery. Pretty much all computers have gold wires in them due to it's conductive properties which sure isn't necessary for sustaining life technically but modern life, yes. It's been used in dentistry since like 1000 BC because of how inert it is, it's used in chemistry all over the place and material science which we rely on to use on all the previous fields. I could go on but I think the point is clear, gold has many many uses beyond just jewelry.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Jup, many drugs have a market price similar to gold, so better invest into that, they can always be sold...

    (Di$claimer: The information provided is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute investment advice or advising on drug trafficking. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy, completeness, or timeliness of the content. Any investment decisions are made at your own risk. The author assumes no liability for financial losses or other damages resulting from the use of this information.)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    He means regular money would be worthless as well as stocks and such. And as rich people own gold, but own much more of the other, he argues they would like to avoid collapse.

    However, I don't think they really can. Also, if it comes to recession very rich people tend to profit.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No it doesn't. Not anymore.

    Not beyond its industrial uses, at least.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    That’s incorrect. Gold still has value because it has utility.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Both, if it was more common it would hold less value. If it served fewer purposes it wouldn’t remain valued.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Is it at least edible gold? Maybe with a pinch of lead to sweet it out?

    (Inb4 I'm obviously joking. I'll also spoil the joke by saying there are edible gold (even though it has no nutritional value) and that lead can be used as a sweetener (even though it is poisonous and will make almost as dumb as RFK brainworms))

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