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What is Cyberpunk?

Cyberpunk is a science-fiction sub-genre dealing with the integration of society and technology in dystopian settings. Often referred to as “low-life and high tech,” Cyberpunk stories deal with outsiders (punks) who fight against the oppressors in society (usually mega corporations that control everything) via technological means (cyber). If the punks aren’t actively fighting against a megacorp, they’re still dealing with living in a world completely dependent on high technology.

Cyberpunk characteristics include:

Dystopian city setting where mega-corporations rule
Full integration of technology into society, featuring cybernetic implants
Outsider protagonists (punks) who often are very familiar with the technology around them
Hard boiled detective and film noir vibes and influence
Themes dabbling in trans-humanism, existentialism, and what it means to be human.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Unless the 3rd book I have yet to read is about being inside a computer system, Neuromancer is so far from being derivative of Tron, I don't know how it ended up on your list. 🤨

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

Neuromancer is so far from being derivative of Tron

Wintermute and Neuromancer, as superintelligent computers orchestrating an evil business empire, strike me as direct parallels to the CPU in Tron.

And the Cowboys, jacking in to outwit these AIs from within their own digital landscape, echo the Tron heroes combating evil computer minions in gladiatorial games.

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[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

You have it the wrong way around if anything.

If you read Burning Chrome, you can see all the Gibsonian cyberspace elements where already there in something that was FINISHED IN 1981.

The first outline of Neuromancer, titled "Jacked In" is from the same year.

Gibson had no idea about what he was talking about and that's why his work is not derivative in any way of other sci-fi work on the subject.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

If you read Burning Chrome, you can see all the Gibsonian cyberspace elements where already there in something that was FINISHED IN 1981.

Lisberger, Tron's creator, was shopping around the idea for the movie as early as '78.

But sure, these ideas weren't strictly concurrent. They both came out of real life computer and Internet development inspiring the themes within the media.

Point being, Tron popularized an idea that catapulted similar media.

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