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Liberals be like (lemmy.ml)
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[–] -3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

We are talking about it, and its not my system its the one I am trapped in, and I still would not want to live in either Russia or China.

I also dont want to live in the US, I want the Star Trek future now, all people have value.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    there is no amount of propaganda that would make this believable. The fact that there is forced labor, and decent is punished is just as unacceptable in China as it is in the US. When I can freely and safely criticize Xi Jinping I might be interested. There are lots of aspects of China that I love and want to see but the authoritarian government and regional provincial governors are NOT something i want to risk.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I have a hard time giving weight to a self reported survey like the one you linked. I dont doubt that people in china feel like they are free, and I suspect that many also ranked their freedom highly because they fear reprisal if they say otherwise.

    Many aspects of China are democratic, other parts are not, Xi Jinping is a life time dictator and cannot be replaced by democratic systems. He is an authoritarian and Bourgeoisie, your suggestion that the working class oppresses capitalists is demonstrably false https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides for example. These were western capitalists treating workers with raw brutality. The CCP was complicit and did not protect their workers because it was seen as generally beneficial to have these manufacturing contracts.

    You don't know me, you are making assumptions about my knowledge, experience, and connection to China based on a few responses on lemmy.

    I hope China is able to return to the ideals that were espoused through the revolution, and I will cheer if they truly reach a level of equality not yet seen in humanity.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We can disagree on Xi being an authoritarian/dictator, from my perspective and experience he is effectively a dictator.

    I was actually happy with some of the improvements made as a result of these suicides but more still needs to be done, and the Uyghurs people are still suffering under the regime.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping

    It is a perception that is so common that its on Wikipedia. Its not just vibes, its researchers, journalists, academics, and other organizations that have a similar perspective.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    your hard numbers and studies were based on self reported surveys.

    World wide consensus, it could be wrong but I have not seen any evidence that its not. I wont deny that any western source is at risk of bias, that is part of the problem with freedom, people with too much power can buy the stories they want.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    kinda don't give a shit what you have to say in response to my criticism when you aren't going to respond to the criticism at all

    you can claim to love all good things and hate all bad things

    literally zero bearing on what you said or what I said in response

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think that's because we have a difference of perspective on degrees of bad. I think all deaths caused by capitalism are bad, and equal bad to all the deaths that are the result of authoritarian countries calling themselves communist.

    So i fundamentally disagree with the "relative to what" because a life is worth the same regardless of where they live and who they are.

    We are able to, and I am talking about the harm, and I am pointing out that this meme is designed to create an emotional response to the 2nd point and not to both points. Thats all, its manipulative and propagandist which makes it in bad faith, and you are welcome to defend either position, I will just disagree.

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    I think all deaths caused by capitalism are bad, and equal bad to all the deaths that are the result of authoritarian countries calling themselves communist.

    You want to obscure the larger number because you want the smaller number to look bad. We're not allowed to talk about the larger number. We're not allowed to criticize your side.

    So what you just said is a fucking lie, isn't it? If they were equal you would permit both be examined. You would admit that the one with the larger death count is worse. That's the exact opposite of what you're pushing for. Your agenda is at odds with reality.

    You don't actually care about people dying. Your actions betray your rhetoric.

    So i fundamentally disagree with the “relative to what” because a life is worth the same regardless of where they live and who they are.

    And there you go doubling down. Hollow rhetoric sidestepping the actual objection. Cynical. Deliberate.

    I will just disagree.

    And I think we can all put together why you disagree (you're a nazi).

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You want to obscure the larger number because you want the smaller number to look bad. We’re not allowed to talk about the larger number. We’re not allowed to criticize your side.

    Not my side, and no I dont want to diminish the larger number, same as I dont want to diminish the smaller number. People should not have to die for political or economic system to function.

    I am examining both, and I am pointing out that the image posted does not examine both, it deliberately attempts to shape the discussion around ignoring self proclaimed communist deaths.

    You don’t actually care about people dying. Your actions betray your rhetoric.

    What? I am sorry what actions am i taking that betray my values?

    And I think we can all put together why you disagree (you’re a nazi).

    I dont know how you came to the conclusion that I am a Nazi, but I can assure you I am not. I dont want to kill or marginalize any group, and I have actually been working for years to cast off my inherited privilege or use it for reparations.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Not my side

    Only in so far as you mouth the words that you don't support them while rhetorically supporting them.

    and no I dont want to diminish the larger number

    Yet you are. Belligerently so at this point.

    People should not have to die for political or economic system to function.

    Mind palace baby brain. Once again flattening all context and history to equate a system that literally functions by killing people and one that you wish to paint as equal because mortality continued to exist under it.

    If you were doing that out of ignorance one would hope you would have the humility to not dig your heels in so I assume you're doing it deliberately to advocate your side. Because you're a nazi.

    What? I am sorry what actions am i taking that betray my values?

    You're not betraying your values; you're lying about what your values are.

    I can assure you I am not. I dont want to kill or marginalize any group

    And I bet you could convince sleepwalkers who aren't paying close attention that you actually mean this shit. But you do indeed want people to die, and you want them to die by the tens of millions each year. That's the functional position you're taking by defending those deaths. And you can't pretend you're not defending them by hiding them behind a curtain while you demonize the alternative that costs fewer lives.

    You're a nazi because you want to use violence to defend capitalism. That's pretty much the textbook definition of fascism.

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