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[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -4 points 1 year ago (4 children) there is no amount of propaganda that would make this believable. The fact that there is forced labor, and decent is punished is just as unacceptable in China as it is in the US. When I can freely and safely criticize Xi Jinping I might be interested. There are lots of aspects of China that I love and want to see but the authoritarian government and regional provincial governors are NOT something i want to risk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -4 points 1 year ago (3 children) I have a hard time giving weight to a self reported survey like the one you linked. I dont doubt that people in china feel like they are free, and I suspect that many also ranked their freedom highly because they fear reprisal if they say otherwise. Many aspects of China are democratic, other parts are not, Xi Jinping is a life time dictator and cannot be replaced by democratic systems. He is an authoritarian and Bourgeoisie, your suggestion that the working class oppresses capitalists is demonstrably false https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides for example. These were western capitalists treating workers with raw brutality. The CCP was complicit and did not protect their workers because it was seen as generally beneficial to have these manufacturing contracts. You don't know me, you are making assumptions about my knowledge, experience, and connection to China based on a few responses on lemmy. I hope China is able to return to the ideals that were espoused through the revolution, and I will cheer if they truly reach a level of equality not yet seen in humanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) We can disagree on Xi being an authoritarian/dictator, from my perspective and experience he is effectively a dictator. I was actually happy with some of the improvements made as a result of these suicides but more still needs to be done, and the Uyghurs people are still suffering under the regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping It is a perception that is so common that its on Wikipedia. Its not just vibes, its researchers, journalists, academics, and other organizations that have a similar perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago your hard numbers and studies were based on self reported surveys. World wide consensus, it could be wrong but I have not seen any evidence that its not. I wont deny that any western source is at risk of bias, that is part of the problem with freedom, people with too much power can buy the stories they want. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -4 points 1 year ago (4 children) there is no amount of propaganda that would make this believable. The fact that there is forced labor, and decent is punished is just as unacceptable in China as it is in the US. When I can freely and safely criticize Xi Jinping I might be interested. There are lots of aspects of China that I love and want to see but the authoritarian government and regional provincial governors are NOT something i want to risk. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -4 points 1 year ago (3 children) I have a hard time giving weight to a self reported survey like the one you linked. I dont doubt that people in china feel like they are free, and I suspect that many also ranked their freedom highly because they fear reprisal if they say otherwise. Many aspects of China are democratic, other parts are not, Xi Jinping is a life time dictator and cannot be replaced by democratic systems. He is an authoritarian and Bourgeoisie, your suggestion that the working class oppresses capitalists is demonstrably false https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides for example. These were western capitalists treating workers with raw brutality. The CCP was complicit and did not protect their workers because it was seen as generally beneficial to have these manufacturing contracts. You don't know me, you are making assumptions about my knowledge, experience, and connection to China based on a few responses on lemmy. I hope China is able to return to the ideals that were espoused through the revolution, and I will cheer if they truly reach a level of equality not yet seen in humanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) We can disagree on Xi being an authoritarian/dictator, from my perspective and experience he is effectively a dictator. I was actually happy with some of the improvements made as a result of these suicides but more still needs to be done, and the Uyghurs people are still suffering under the regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping It is a perception that is so common that its on Wikipedia. Its not just vibes, its researchers, journalists, academics, and other organizations that have a similar perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago your hard numbers and studies were based on self reported surveys. World wide consensus, it could be wrong but I have not seen any evidence that its not. I wont deny that any western source is at risk of bias, that is part of the problem with freedom, people with too much power can buy the stories they want. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -4 points 1 year ago (3 children) I have a hard time giving weight to a self reported survey like the one you linked. I dont doubt that people in china feel like they are free, and I suspect that many also ranked their freedom highly because they fear reprisal if they say otherwise. Many aspects of China are democratic, other parts are not, Xi Jinping is a life time dictator and cannot be replaced by democratic systems. He is an authoritarian and Bourgeoisie, your suggestion that the working class oppresses capitalists is demonstrably false https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides for example. These were western capitalists treating workers with raw brutality. The CCP was complicit and did not protect their workers because it was seen as generally beneficial to have these manufacturing contracts. You don't know me, you are making assumptions about my knowledge, experience, and connection to China based on a few responses on lemmy. I hope China is able to return to the ideals that were espoused through the revolution, and I will cheer if they truly reach a level of equality not yet seen in humanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) We can disagree on Xi being an authoritarian/dictator, from my perspective and experience he is effectively a dictator. I was actually happy with some of the improvements made as a result of these suicides but more still needs to be done, and the Uyghurs people are still suffering under the regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping It is a perception that is so common that its on Wikipedia. Its not just vibes, its researchers, journalists, academics, and other organizations that have a similar perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago your hard numbers and studies were based on self reported surveys. World wide consensus, it could be wrong but I have not seen any evidence that its not. I wont deny that any western source is at risk of bias, that is part of the problem with freedom, people with too much power can buy the stories they want. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -4 points 1 year ago (3 children) I have a hard time giving weight to a self reported survey like the one you linked. I dont doubt that people in china feel like they are free, and I suspect that many also ranked their freedom highly because they fear reprisal if they say otherwise. Many aspects of China are democratic, other parts are not, Xi Jinping is a life time dictator and cannot be replaced by democratic systems. He is an authoritarian and Bourgeoisie, your suggestion that the working class oppresses capitalists is demonstrably false https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides for example. These were western capitalists treating workers with raw brutality. The CCP was complicit and did not protect their workers because it was seen as generally beneficial to have these manufacturing contracts. You don't know me, you are making assumptions about my knowledge, experience, and connection to China based on a few responses on lemmy. I hope China is able to return to the ideals that were espoused through the revolution, and I will cheer if they truly reach a level of equality not yet seen in humanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) We can disagree on Xi being an authoritarian/dictator, from my perspective and experience he is effectively a dictator. I was actually happy with some of the improvements made as a result of these suicides but more still needs to be done, and the Uyghurs people are still suffering under the regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping It is a perception that is so common that its on Wikipedia. Its not just vibes, its researchers, journalists, academics, and other organizations that have a similar perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago your hard numbers and studies were based on self reported surveys. World wide consensus, it could be wrong but I have not seen any evidence that its not. I wont deny that any western source is at risk of bias, that is part of the problem with freedom, people with too much power can buy the stories they want. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) We can disagree on Xi being an authoritarian/dictator, from my perspective and experience he is effectively a dictator. I was actually happy with some of the improvements made as a result of these suicides but more still needs to be done, and the Uyghurs people are still suffering under the regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping It is a perception that is so common that its on Wikipedia. Its not just vibes, its researchers, journalists, academics, and other organizations that have a similar perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago your hard numbers and studies were based on self reported surveys. World wide consensus, it could be wrong but I have not seen any evidence that its not. I wont deny that any western source is at risk of bias, that is part of the problem with freedom, people with too much power can buy the stories they want. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) We can disagree on Xi being an authoritarian/dictator, from my perspective and experience he is effectively a dictator. I was actually happy with some of the improvements made as a result of these suicides but more still needs to be done, and the Uyghurs people are still suffering under the regime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping It is a perception that is so common that its on Wikipedia. Its not just vibes, its researchers, journalists, academics, and other organizations that have a similar perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago your hard numbers and studies were based on self reported surveys. World wide consensus, it could be wrong but I have not seen any evidence that its not. I wont deny that any western source is at risk of bias, that is part of the problem with freedom, people with too much power can buy the stories they want. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping It is a perception that is so common that its on Wikipedia. Its not just vibes, its researchers, journalists, academics, and other organizations that have a similar perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago your hard numbers and studies were based on self reported surveys. World wide consensus, it could be wrong but I have not seen any evidence that its not. I wont deny that any western source is at risk of bias, that is part of the problem with freedom, people with too much power can buy the stories they want. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago (1 child) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping It is a perception that is so common that its on Wikipedia. Its not just vibes, its researchers, journalists, academics, and other organizations that have a similar perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago your hard numbers and studies were based on self reported surveys. World wide consensus, it could be wrong but I have not seen any evidence that its not. I wont deny that any western source is at risk of bias, that is part of the problem with freedom, people with too much power can buy the stories they want. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago your hard numbers and studies were based on self reported surveys. World wide consensus, it could be wrong but I have not seen any evidence that its not. I wont deny that any western source is at risk of bias, that is part of the problem with freedom, people with too much power can buy the stories they want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online -3 points 1 year ago your hard numbers and studies were based on self reported surveys. World wide consensus, it could be wrong but I have not seen any evidence that its not. I wont deny that any western source is at risk of bias, that is part of the problem with freedom, people with too much power can buy the stories they want. permalink fedilink source parent