And some watches cost far more than both.

Price isn't always perfectly aligned with complexity or utility 🤷‍♀️

I basically have a teensy weak motorcycle that I can "fuel up" at home or bring a spare battery for long rides. I'm bothered the used cars are so expensive, not the bike

I also ain't looking at $12k frames, (mine was $700) so it's got that going for it too.

Economies of scale and subsidies

And when they are close, you don't need to hoard 2 weeks or a whole month worth of groceries per trip, you can just get them more frequently and enjoy fresher produce

If, if, if... That's not how the real world works

That, and the nearest grocery store being 15 miles (25 km) away is highly unusual even by US standards. In the US alone, over 80% of people live in what the Census Bureau calls a city, defined as "encompass[ing] at least 2,000 housing units or hav[ing] a population of at least 5,000 people." The fact that someone chooses to live in bumfuck nowhere shouldn't mean that the other people who live in a town with population > 5 shouldn't get to have safe, affordable, well-kept walking/micromobility/public transit infrastructure.

People don't suddenly stop driving cars when not-cars becomes the predominant form of transportation. Like I said, "main form of transportation". That cars are by far the main form is the problem because, among other huge problems, it induces reliance on cars and creates expensive, unmaintainable sprawl that makes other forms of transit completely impractical. Hell, even bumfuck nowhere towns used to have passenger rail that came through them before the tracks were ripped out. I think people who worry that good not-car infrastructure will destroy their ability to drive are projecting, because in reality, it's always been car infrastructure that eats up everything else around it, not vice-versa.

"What do you mean 'boats shouldn't be the primary form of transportation'? Did you ever consider that I chose to live on an island off the coast of Michigan??"

Im surprised everytime I see a car with more than 2 people, just 1 is the norm

Legit. If my wife wants to come on a trip I'm driving on, she can hop on her bike. The two of our bikes together cost a fifth what our car cost, and the "fuel" expenses are negligible with solar.

Honestly thinking of a way to solar recharge the bikes while we're camping. Like, an umbrella to shade the battery, with a solar panel on top and an extension cord up connect the battery under the damn thing. Maybe solar panels on the bike too and some active cooling for the batteries idk

Most Americans are used to very spread out cities. It causes a lot of problems with groceries since you have to make far fewer grocery trips, which then means fresh foods are rare. Probably a huge contributor to America's obesity problem

The closest grocery store is literally in the same building I currently live in. It takes me ~30 seconds from my apartment door to grocery store door.. This (<3 mins to the nearest grocery store) is the norm in a lot of places.

When I lived in my own house in the woods (literally no neighbors), I could bike ~10 minutes to the nearest small farmer's shop, or ~20 minutes and get to a bigger grocery store. The fact that you must drive to buy groceries is, frankly, insane.

Therefore the majority that do live in a city must use cars too?

No one is coming to your rural community to build a bike lane. These discussions are never about the rural folk. Y'all are going to be left alone. Bikes and transit don't make sense in low-density rural areas

Now please stop fighting the change the rest of us want in our cities

Those same vehicles also have a 4-wheel model that's pretty nice.

Finding a place to park a car is inconvenient, but locking up a bike somewhere isn't?

And you must live within walking distance of a train.