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Content jacking/reposting is a problem on Lemmy. (hackertalks.com)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/fedigrow@lemmy.zip
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Content jacking and top posting other people's content is really bad for Lemmy. It's also just being a dick to other people making content on the platform.

  • feed is spammy
  • divides conversation
  • chills engagement
  • makes Lemmy less friendly to posters

This pattern is very common on lemmy, and needs to stop.

This is often used to attack or force migrate conversations from a instance someone doesn't like to another instance they do like. It's offensive by its very nature.

If you want to make a better community, great, do it but not at the expense of other Lemmy posters.

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[–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

So, are we all just supposed to accept the .ml instance bans? https://feddit.nl/post/16246531

I'm not the biggest fan of the way @cm0002@lemmy.world handles this, but at the same time, the usual recommendation for people unhappy with the way a community was managed was to make their own.

Also, the "authorship" issue is brought up a few times in this threads, but don't @cm0002@lemmy.world posts always credit the original author?

Examples:

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    After a post author has already been made aware of an alternative community and has asked cm0002 multiple times to stop reposting their original content there, continuing to do so anyway is extremely rude. Yes, the internet is free, the content is out there and there is nothing stopping cm0002 from continuing to repost it. But there is also nothing stopping me from thinking he's a fucking asshole whose efforts create more hatred and internal division on this platform than it unites us.

    Some of the communities he wages war against have zero political connections (such as !crows@lemmy.ml) and have never once even approached a moment of controversy with a mod or admin.

    But he is on a mission from God as a hero of the people in his just crusade against the evils of the internet or whatever, so in his own words it "must be done".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I see where you come from, but here's another perspective: what if someone wants to block .ml because of the instance bans, or because one of the admin is transphobic (https://lemmy.world/post/18236068)

    That person can't access .ml communities anymore. There are a few alternatives around (!linux@programming.dev for !linux@lemmy.ml, !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com for !privacy@lemmy.ml etc.).

    I agree that @cm0002@lemmy.world should probably stop crossposting posts from people who explicitly asked them to stop, but on the other hand most of the people probably don't mind (example of me asking someone who thought that nodoby needs permission to post a link somewhere else: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45767421/19161995)

    @cm0002@lemmy.world, maybe just crosspost content from https://old.reddit.com/r/crows/ rather that !crows@lemmy.ml

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    If you want to block ml then you made a choice to also give up it's content.

    The ml posters are aware of other instances.

    Everyone is free to use a instance that federates how they like. If people choose an exclusionary instance then they can't complain they are missing posts from something excluded.

    I absofuckinglutely mind seeing redundant content in my feed. It makes Lemmy feel empty

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    The ml posters are aware of other instances.

    Yes, but most of them just want to stay on the most active community and don't want to go through the hassle of recreating the community elsewhere. Discussion on !fantasy@lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/post/25858077

    Everyone is free to use a instance that federates how they like. If people choose an exclusionary instance then they can’t complain they are missing posts from something excluded.

    Correct, but people are also free to want their own version of the community to thrive. Which means posting content to it.

    I absofuckinglutely mind seeing redundant content in my feed. It makes Lemmy feel empty

    Aren't most of the crossposts only displayed once?

    For the remaining ones (usually self posts, as there is no link to identify crossposts), just block the communities that you know are only "other communities reposts"

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is your desire to concentrate people's interaction to favored instances greater then the agency of the contents original poster?

    I don't think it's good for Lemmy as I outlined above. Give people informed choice, but respect their agency

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you look at that thread, people just don't care about the instance that much

    I’ll go wherever the action is, I just want an active community. If people wanna move I’ll be there.

    I’ve just joined the community, but I’d be happy to move across wherever.

    As long as you do not go to an instance that blacklists lemmy.ml, I’m fine.

    Inertia is the main reason the .ml communities are still the most active on their topics.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As long as you do not go to an instance that blacklists lemmy.ml, I’m fine.

    ..... isn't the one of the main rationales for the top posting because ml is blocked on many instances?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    No, the rationale is to allow people to block (more like mute, Lemmy-blocking doesn't really block) lemmy.ml

    If !fantasy were to switch to !fantasy@lemmy.zip

    • lemmy.ml users would still be able to access it
    • users lemmy-blocking lemmy.ml would still be able to access it, and see comments from .ml users

    That's an improvement over it being at .ml, where the second point isn't possible

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    There's multiple things here.

    The KiwiFarms transplants and the Destiny fans are just looking for lolcows. If crossposting memes gets a reaction, they'll focus on that until the content dries up.

    That's the whole foundation of those communities: operating zealously in that pocket where they can act in eternal kategoria. The reaction is more validating than the action.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sorry, I'm not that familiar with KiwiFarms and Destiny. Are they known for massively crossposting content to Lemmy communities?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    For having communities that maximize harassment, usually within the limits of moderation efforts. The latter with malicious community rules policing and reporting, etc, especially.

    The idea is to pick targets no one really wants to defend.

    (...lolcows they'd be called, which was the style at the time... anyways I'm old.)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Okay, but how is that relatable to the issue discussed in this post?

    Are you saying that .ml admins are KiwiFarms transplants?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I cross-post to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly the instance as a whole to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate, is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms

    Megathread on the issue

    Some highlights from the link:

    "Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

    "See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

    .ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558

    CW: Original transphobic Comment from Nutomic

    And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

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