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EU Chat Control didnt pass - proving the media got to alot of you (www.patrick-breyer.de)
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Chat Control didnt pass - they didnt even vote because they were afraid the result would be embarassing.

And we got told so many times, that EU now wants Chat Control. But it was a big fat lie.

EU is a democracy with different opinions, and when a small group of facists tries to read your chats, it does not represent the EU opinion.

But the whole media got you thinking so. Proving even on Lemmy, you and me are extremly prone to propaganda.

I quoted the article here with the news:

In a major breakthrough for the digital rights movement, the German government has refused to back the EU’s controversial Chat Control regulation yesterday after facing massive public pressure.

The government did not take a position on the proposal.

This blocks the required majority in the EU Council, derailing the plan to pass the surveillance law next week.

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[–] 13 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

It couldn't have been close to passing without a vote even taking place.

Huh? Do countries voicing their approval or disapproval not count as a "vote"?

countries representing more than 35% of the EU population have declared their opposition

That's not even half...

A lot of countries have indeed declared support, though this is completely separate from the vote.

That's because, as you mentioned earlier, the vote never happened.

There, it'd require a qualified majority (55% of member states in favor, or countries representing 65% of the EU population in favor)

Which, according to your own numbers, they already had.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Huh? Do countries voicing their approval or disapproval not count as a "vote"?

    No. The stances of countries are the [leaked] stances of their respective governments. Which may or may not reflect the views of the country's MEPs. You can read more here: Fight Chat Control

    That's not even half...

    True, and that's indeed very concerning. However, it should be noted that this is not how many countries are against this proposal, but how many countries oppose it enough to reject it before voting. Many countries currently 'undecided' are likely to vote against the proposal in the end (if a vote took place). Likewise, some of them could vote in favor.

    Which, according to your own numbers, they already had.

    Not at all. I mentioned that, with Germany changing their stance to against, we had over 35% of the EU population against. Which means in favor and undecided both had less than 65% together. Right now I can't count the populations, but there's 12 countries in favor, 9 against and 6 undecided. This by no means gives the countries in favor a qualified majority. Unless all in favor and at least half of undecided (3 countries) fully voted in favor. Which is fairly unlikely.

    Additionally, as I mentioned above, these numbers are for the member states' governments, not their MEPs. Usually MEPs are more pro-people, but of course, it depends on the country and its current government.

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