I was just perusing the modlog when I noticed something interesting. Apparently posting news about Gaza/Palestine is not allowed on !worldnews@sh.itjust.works. I decided to check the side bar and didn't see anything. The only pinned post also does not indicate that this is not allowed

edit: the mod in question is @Eyekaytee@aussie.zone . sorry for not originally tagging. i hadn't realized it was a rule that this must be done. i thought it seemed inappropriate since i was trying to initiate a conversation about a community's rules and culture rather than start drama about an individual

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[+] -8 points 1 year ago (34 children)

These things aren't different wtf?!?

You're talking about people that hold nostalgia to past regimes. This is the case in many African countries today. I'm trying to point out the idiocy of your statistic.

If you're using that as a justification of return to the USSR, i can equally use it as justification of return to colonialism in Africa

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (16 children)

    what does it even matter, this has nothing to do with anything, cowbee supports socialism?

    what exactly is your argument, that its bad that they're supporting socialism because some people support colonialism?

    cowbees argument is essentially they are bad but they help socialists and they may become socialist again, how is it relevant in any way that africa supports colonialism?

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Not at all. I don't care what his aims are whether it were in justification of Nazism or feudalism. I'm saying it's wrong to use nostalgia polls as evidence that anything should be pursued, because that would be lending credence to Africans who reminisce about the easy times under colonial masters and actively vouch for a return to said system

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (13 children)

    But he didn't do that so...?

    quote the part where he said we should do socialism because of a nostalgia poll?

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    Are you being intentionally obtuse?

    That is the entire point of him citing that poll

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    No, he cited that poll because he supports socialism and russia is in favor of socialism. He did not say socialism is good because of the poll.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    He didn't just cite the poll just for the purpose of just citing it. He cited it because he wants to show how socialism is popular and therefore should be pursued.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    That is not what he said at all, he was explaining why he supports russia, you completely misunderstood his point, reread the conversation.

    a simplified version of his claim:

    "i support socialism, russia is strategically beneficial for socialism because they trade with socialists and may one day be socialist, as evidenced by [the poll in question], socialism being on the rise in russia is part of the reason i support them over western powers."

    see how at no point in that claim did he say that socialism is good because it has popular support?

    you didn't understand the assertion and guessed what he was saying and then treated him poorly based on that misinterpretation, you should apologize.

    honestly why would anyone argue that socialism is good because a country likes it??

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Sorry, I went back, read the comment and still don't see a direct assertion that socialism being on the rise in Russia is also part of why he supports it. The poll at best seems like a random addition to the point.

    Regardless, if that IS what he was intending to say, then i would be willing to grant that my angle of attack regarding this specific issue is misplaced, but i did not get that initial impression.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    That is both very obviously what he was saying and also makes all of his responses to you make sense, also it is very easily inferred, you just went with a very bad faith interpretation for no apparent reason.

    you should apologize.

    @Cowbee@lemmy.ml can you confirm

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Yes, that is my point, you're correct. Though, I do think when combined with other points on the positives of socialism that its perception increasing in post-socialist countries is useful, though not by itself.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Hold on now. Let's not try to make it like i was intentionally trying to argue in bad faith here. I misunderstood his argument and to be fair to me, he did not try to point out that i misunderstood it. He only attempted to reassert and double down on his claims. This isn't about what is or isn't or should be obvious. It's about what actually happened.

    And no, I'm not apologising to anyone. I made an error and i admit to that. That's about as much as you'll get from me.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    he did not try to point out that i misunderstood it

    https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/post/57983013/21014971

    what do you think this post is?

    And no, I’m not apologising to anyone. I made an error and i admit to that. That’s about as much as you’ll get from me.

    this doesn't change the fact that you should.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    what do you think this post is?

    Well it's not him asserting that he cited the poll as justification for HIS OWN defence of a Russia that's for sure.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    "Citing the fact that Russia has increasing support for socialism as proof of Russians having increased support for socialism is perfectly valid."

    can you rephrase this sentence in your own words?

    then

    can you explain why he would say this?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm pretty sure Cowbee is not Russian, so i don't think he's attempting to refer to himself from a third person perspective there.

    I interprete this as an argument in favour of the Russian populace and not himself.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    No, these are entirely different things. You're essentially saying that it is useless to take public opinion polling on whether they prefer socialism or capitalism because some people would say they prefer colonialism over neocolonialism or imperialism. Citing the fact that Russia has increasing support for socialism as proof of Russians having increased support for socialism is perfectly valid.

    Taking your logic at face value, if someone said "I like chocolate," your equivalent counter would be asserting that that's the same as saying "I like fascism." It doesn't logically follow, the point is about Russians supporting socialism, which is increasingly true.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Citing the fact that Russia has increasing support for socialism as proof of Russians having increased support for socialism is perfectly valid.

    Citing the fact that Nigeria has increasing support for colonialism as proof of Nigerians having increased support for colonialism is perfectly valid.

    This is your argument but for colonialism.

    It's quite impressive the mental gymnastics you're using to avoid debating my actual claim which is clear as day to understand. The point is Nigerians supporting colonialism which is increasingly true

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I'm not arguing for colonialism, I'm arguing for socialism, and the stat I gave was in the context of other points. Secondly, you gave no source on Nigerians wishing to return to colonialism, you made that up for your Mad Libs argument. You're caught up in trying to point out hypocricy and false rhetoric that doesn't exist.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I don't need a source. Go to any African country and ask them whether they wish to return to colonialism.

    I'm telling you using nostalgia as evidence to return to a system is faulty due to those that revere harmful systems as well. Hence my citing of Nigerians who revere colonialism.

    Don't know why it's this difficult for you to grasp this point

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    So you made it up, just to argue rhetorically using a hypothetical you lied about? No, Nigerians do not want a return to colonialism, you lied about them wanting it back increasingly over time to paint me as a hypocrite.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    No, Nigerians do not want a return to colonialism,

    Yes they do. Go speak to some Nigerians

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I'm sure you can find at least one Nigerian that wishes to return to colonialism, but no such polls exist indicating there is rising support for colonialism in Nigeria. You made that up to prove a point. You lied.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Mate i AM a Nigerian who has spoken to many such Nigerians. It's a very common sentiment. Again, go speak to some Nigerians

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    i know a bunch of nigerians who disagree with you and say it isn't common.

    now that we've cancelled eachother out in order to continue this you'll need to find a poll.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I’m sure you can find at least one Nigerian that wishes to return to colonialism, but no such polls exist indicating there is rising support for colonialism in Nigeria. You made that up to prove a point. You lied.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Oh noo! You repeated your point again; now I've run out of refutations and am forced to do nothing else but agree with you

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It is hard to defend that you made up a point to attack a completely valid one, correct.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wrong. You're just not interested in engaging even though you understand the underlying logic of my claim

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