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Are you doing your part? (media.piefed.ca)
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[–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I think people on the left retreated because their ideals don't involve violence and hate in the first place, so they just didn't want to be tangled up in it. I'm only so motivated to interact with nazi scum, I'd much rather not, so yeah, they can have their spaces because I don't have the mental capacity to live my life peacefully and also fight with idiots on the internet.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    But you understand retreating gives Nazi scum access to more eyes and ears which grows louder and bolder nazi scum. Like you can choose to disengage but it's only momentarily. It now isn't just online, you're probably seeing family and friends or coworkers or random conversations waiting for coffee that sound questionable. It's easier to put a fire out when it's smoulder then when it's engulfing half the forest. You can walk away when it's smouldering but it's only going to grow

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I know, but I also have a life, and I'm just trying to not be fucking angry all the time already, so no, I can't fight every fucking moment, and currently it's not the nazis agitating me, it's you telling me I need to be angry. Don't fucking tell me what I see with my own eyes in the world I fucking live in, Im quite aware, thanks, and I'd like to perseve as much peace in it as I can.

    Trust me when I say I have to fight on my own terms, if that's not good enough for you, you can also rot with the nazis

    E: don't take it personally, I'm more angry with the sentiment than with the person who says it, it ain't you

    E2: Fuck you got me started LOL. Look, for clarity, I have spent my entire life as the angry righteous idealogue you want people to be, and let me tell you, it has produced nothing but misery in my life, so I'm disengaging with that part of me as best I can. If that's my story, I imagine other people have similar experiences. Not every fight is with blood, some of them are with compassion and understanding. Those are the ones I want to fight until the bloody fight comes to me

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Lol I get it, so no need to apologize. I just think we did it all wrong. We get angry because something is missing from our approach. Like there's some injustice. I'm not saying people need to be out there every day engaging with toxic assholes or bots. But I do think we all should recognize that not doing that, is helping the spread of these fuckers. One thing I noticed is people of the left had different goals and then people on the right and that burnt them out. The right approached online spaces like they were meeting friends to make fun of and pick on the left. The left was only reacting to things as they happened. They weren't having fun with any of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, the disconnect behind the methodologies and desires allows open spaces to be filled with loud hateful idiots, it's hard to just progress as a society when one side is so motivated to be hateful in the vacuum of saner people going elsewhere. Not entirely sure what to do about that. It feels like a paradox or a catch 22, it's hard on the psyche to inhabit a space that's hostile, but moving out of it just enables loud hateful idiots to be louder, and feel they arent opposed until that space becomes a walled garden of nazis and bots circlejerking their hate.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Which i think is why we approached it wrong. I watched something with Lefty's where they just want to be right. When that doesn't happen they get so mad. Like an injustice has occurred. What I noticed with rightys are they enjoy watching the lefty attempt to change their view while fully knowing it'll never happen. It's like some schadenfreude. I think we need that. Logic and reason will come later with some people. I think it's recognize you're dealing with an immovable object and just turn it into a play thing

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    if that’s not good enough for you, you can also rot with the nazis

    E: don’t take it personally

    The Left and the Right share a lot more in common than either side is willing to admit. The Left eats its own, and tells others what to do exactly in an analogous manner as to the Right. Just looking around at the calls for casual murder, I am reminded of having seen the same from the "other side". I've given up any hope of a rational dialogue with virtually everyone on the internet, but kudos for trying to speak truth rather than give up the good fight. We need more of that imho.

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