Yeah, the disconnect behind the methodologies and desires allows open spaces to be filled with loud hateful idiots, it's hard to just progress as a society when one side is so motivated to be hateful in the vacuum of saner people going elsewhere. Not entirely sure what to do about that. It feels like a paradox or a catch 22, it's hard on the psyche to inhabit a space that's hostile, but moving out of it just enables loud hateful idiots to be louder, and feel they arent opposed until that space becomes a walled garden of nazis and bots circlejerking their hate.