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[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (9 children) Claims of "China bad" are ever-shifting, goal posts moving and entire arguments spring up and fall back down, Right, but infrastructure is not what makes up the bulk of "China bad" talking points. Why not address the Uyghurs or censorship? That is what makes up the bulk of "China bad" discourse. Pointing to infrastructure only to refute the "China bad" comments is a strawman because that's not what makes up the bulk of the discourse. I'm willing to let it slide on the Occam's razor though, especially since this is just a meme, but it still feels disingenuous. Further, it is valid if the point of critiquing something is to imply something else is better when it can be pointed out that they are similar, the same, or the other is worse. Sorry, if you're meaning this as a defense of the use of whataboutism, I don't agree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (4 children) Why not address the Uyghurs or censorship? And when we do this, as we have and continue to do, you'll still label it as whataboutism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) I'm not ready to have this discussion today permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) Then why say anything rather than read/watch provided material? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Have you not been reading my comments? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* You are relentless aren't you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (3 children) It isn't addressing whatever niche reason you have for not liking China. That is why i said if OP is responding to someone in particular where this was the topic of discussion, then it's fine. The meme should've been more careful in its language and specified what aspects of the "China bad" discourse it's addressing. Something like "But they say US has better infrastructure", or something to that tune. This way, it wouldn't reduce the whole discourse to a singular and unpopular talking point. I'm not going to address your other points as it's going to make this discussion longer than i want it. Save that for another day permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Sorry how so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) nor is OP saying their meme answers every argument. OP inadvertently does so with the title. Imagine if i made a similar meme, comparing the poverty rates in the US (which is like anywhere from 10-15% living below the poverty line) to the poverty rates in Cuba (which is like 40-80% depending on what sources or definitions we're using) and i said, "But apparently, tHe uS BaDDDDD". For time's sake, let's not get into the nitty gritty of why this may be the case. Wouldn't you say something like, "that's not why we criticise the US though", or "that's not what the 'US bad' discourse is about"? Wouldn't it feel disingenuous that I've reduced the whole discussion on whether the US/Capitalism is bad to poverty rates? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago So if you saw a post similar to the example i gave, it would not seem disingenuous to reduce the whole US argument to one talking point which may or may not even be a popular one? You have to realize that what this OP did can also be done in favour of pro-US/pro-capitalism rhetoric. 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[+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (9 children) Claims of "China bad" are ever-shifting, goal posts moving and entire arguments spring up and fall back down, Right, but infrastructure is not what makes up the bulk of "China bad" talking points. Why not address the Uyghurs or censorship? That is what makes up the bulk of "China bad" discourse. Pointing to infrastructure only to refute the "China bad" comments is a strawman because that's not what makes up the bulk of the discourse. I'm willing to let it slide on the Occam's razor though, especially since this is just a meme, but it still feels disingenuous. Further, it is valid if the point of critiquing something is to imply something else is better when it can be pointed out that they are similar, the same, or the other is worse. Sorry, if you're meaning this as a defense of the use of whataboutism, I don't agree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (4 children) Why not address the Uyghurs or censorship? And when we do this, as we have and continue to do, you'll still label it as whataboutism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) I'm not ready to have this discussion today permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) Then why say anything rather than read/watch provided material? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Have you not been reading my comments? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* You are relentless aren't you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (3 children) It isn't addressing whatever niche reason you have for not liking China. That is why i said if OP is responding to someone in particular where this was the topic of discussion, then it's fine. The meme should've been more careful in its language and specified what aspects of the "China bad" discourse it's addressing. Something like "But they say US has better infrastructure", or something to that tune. This way, it wouldn't reduce the whole discourse to a singular and unpopular talking point. I'm not going to address your other points as it's going to make this discussion longer than i want it. Save that for another day permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Sorry how so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) nor is OP saying their meme answers every argument. OP inadvertently does so with the title. Imagine if i made a similar meme, comparing the poverty rates in the US (which is like anywhere from 10-15% living below the poverty line) to the poverty rates in Cuba (which is like 40-80% depending on what sources or definitions we're using) and i said, "But apparently, tHe uS BaDDDDD". For time's sake, let's not get into the nitty gritty of why this may be the case. Wouldn't you say something like, "that's not why we criticise the US though", or "that's not what the 'US bad' discourse is about"? Wouldn't it feel disingenuous that I've reduced the whole discussion on whether the US/Capitalism is bad to poverty rates? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago So if you saw a post similar to the example i gave, it would not seem disingenuous to reduce the whole US argument to one talking point which may or may not even be a popular one? You have to realize that what this OP did can also be done in favour of pro-US/pro-capitalism rhetoric. You just have to permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (4 children) Why not address the Uyghurs or censorship? And when we do this, as we have and continue to do, you'll still label it as whataboutism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) I'm not ready to have this discussion today permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) Then why say anything rather than read/watch provided material? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Have you not been reading my comments? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* You are relentless aren't you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -9 points 1 year ago (3 children) I'm not ready to have this discussion today permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) Then why say anything rather than read/watch provided material? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Have you not been reading my comments? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* You are relentless aren't you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 1 year ago (2 children) Then why say anything rather than read/watch provided material? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Have you not been reading my comments? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* You are relentless aren't you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Have you not been reading my comments? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* You are relentless aren't you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* You are relentless aren't you permalink fedilink source parent
[+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* You are relentless aren't you permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (3 children) It isn't addressing whatever niche reason you have for not liking China. That is why i said if OP is responding to someone in particular where this was the topic of discussion, then it's fine. The meme should've been more careful in its language and specified what aspects of the "China bad" discourse it's addressing. Something like "But they say US has better infrastructure", or something to that tune. This way, it wouldn't reduce the whole discourse to a singular and unpopular talking point. I'm not going to address your other points as it's going to make this discussion longer than i want it. Save that for another day permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Sorry how so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) nor is OP saying their meme answers every argument. OP inadvertently does so with the title. Imagine if i made a similar meme, comparing the poverty rates in the US (which is like anywhere from 10-15% living below the poverty line) to the poverty rates in Cuba (which is like 40-80% depending on what sources or definitions we're using) and i said, "But apparently, tHe uS BaDDDDD". For time's sake, let's not get into the nitty gritty of why this may be the case. Wouldn't you say something like, "that's not why we criticise the US though", or "that's not what the 'US bad' discourse is about"? Wouldn't it feel disingenuous that I've reduced the whole discussion on whether the US/Capitalism is bad to poverty rates? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago So if you saw a post similar to the example i gave, it would not seem disingenuous to reduce the whole US argument to one talking point which may or may not even be a popular one? You have to realize that what this OP did can also be done in favour of pro-US/pro-capitalism rhetoric. You just have to permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (3 children) It isn't addressing whatever niche reason you have for not liking China. That is why i said if OP is responding to someone in particular where this was the topic of discussion, then it's fine. The meme should've been more careful in its language and specified what aspects of the "China bad" discourse it's addressing. Something like "But they say US has better infrastructure", or something to that tune. This way, it wouldn't reduce the whole discourse to a singular and unpopular talking point. I'm not going to address your other points as it's going to make this discussion longer than i want it. Save that for another day permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Sorry how so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) nor is OP saying their meme answers every argument. OP inadvertently does so with the title. Imagine if i made a similar meme, comparing the poverty rates in the US (which is like anywhere from 10-15% living below the poverty line) to the poverty rates in Cuba (which is like 40-80% depending on what sources or definitions we're using) and i said, "But apparently, tHe uS BaDDDDD". For time's sake, let's not get into the nitty gritty of why this may be the case. Wouldn't you say something like, "that's not why we criticise the US though", or "that's not what the 'US bad' discourse is about"? Wouldn't it feel disingenuous that I've reduced the whole discussion on whether the US/Capitalism is bad to poverty rates? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago So if you saw a post similar to the example i gave, it would not seem disingenuous to reduce the whole US argument to one talking point which may or may not even be a popular one? You have to realize that what this OP did can also be done in favour of pro-US/pro-capitalism rhetoric. You just have to permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Sorry how so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) nor is OP saying their meme answers every argument. OP inadvertently does so with the title. Imagine if i made a similar meme, comparing the poverty rates in the US (which is like anywhere from 10-15% living below the poverty line) to the poverty rates in Cuba (which is like 40-80% depending on what sources or definitions we're using) and i said, "But apparently, tHe uS BaDDDDD". For time's sake, let's not get into the nitty gritty of why this may be the case. Wouldn't you say something like, "that's not why we criticise the US though", or "that's not what the 'US bad' discourse is about"? Wouldn't it feel disingenuous that I've reduced the whole discussion on whether the US/Capitalism is bad to poverty rates? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago So if you saw a post similar to the example i gave, it would not seem disingenuous to reduce the whole US argument to one talking point which may or may not even be a popular one? You have to realize that what this OP did can also be done in favour of pro-US/pro-capitalism rhetoric. You just have to permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Sorry how so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) nor is OP saying their meme answers every argument. OP inadvertently does so with the title. Imagine if i made a similar meme, comparing the poverty rates in the US (which is like anywhere from 10-15% living below the poverty line) to the poverty rates in Cuba (which is like 40-80% depending on what sources or definitions we're using) and i said, "But apparently, tHe uS BaDDDDD". For time's sake, let's not get into the nitty gritty of why this may be the case. Wouldn't you say something like, "that's not why we criticise the US though", or "that's not what the 'US bad' discourse is about"? Wouldn't it feel disingenuous that I've reduced the whole discussion on whether the US/Capitalism is bad to poverty rates? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago So if you saw a post similar to the example i gave, it would not seem disingenuous to reduce the whole US argument to one talking point which may or may not even be a popular one? You have to realize that what this OP did can also be done in favour of pro-US/pro-capitalism rhetoric. You just have to permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) nor is OP saying their meme answers every argument. OP inadvertently does so with the title. Imagine if i made a similar meme, comparing the poverty rates in the US (which is like anywhere from 10-15% living below the poverty line) to the poverty rates in Cuba (which is like 40-80% depending on what sources or definitions we're using) and i said, "But apparently, tHe uS BaDDDDD". For time's sake, let's not get into the nitty gritty of why this may be the case. Wouldn't you say something like, "that's not why we criticise the US though", or "that's not what the 'US bad' discourse is about"? Wouldn't it feel disingenuous that I've reduced the whole discussion on whether the US/Capitalism is bad to poverty rates? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago So if you saw a post similar to the example i gave, it would not seem disingenuous to reduce the whole US argument to one talking point which may or may not even be a popular one? You have to realize that what this OP did can also be done in favour of pro-US/pro-capitalism rhetoric. You just have to permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago (1 child) nor is OP saying their meme answers every argument. OP inadvertently does so with the title. Imagine if i made a similar meme, comparing the poverty rates in the US (which is like anywhere from 10-15% living below the poverty line) to the poverty rates in Cuba (which is like 40-80% depending on what sources or definitions we're using) and i said, "But apparently, tHe uS BaDDDDD". For time's sake, let's not get into the nitty gritty of why this may be the case. Wouldn't you say something like, "that's not why we criticise the US though", or "that's not what the 'US bad' discourse is about"? Wouldn't it feel disingenuous that I've reduced the whole discussion on whether the US/Capitalism is bad to poverty rates? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago So if you saw a post similar to the example i gave, it would not seem disingenuous to reduce the whole US argument to one talking point which may or may not even be a popular one? You have to realize that what this OP did can also be done in favour of pro-US/pro-capitalism rhetoric. You just have to permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago So if you saw a post similar to the example i gave, it would not seem disingenuous to reduce the whole US argument to one talking point which may or may not even be a popular one? You have to realize that what this OP did can also be done in favour of pro-US/pro-capitalism rhetoric. You just have to permalink fedilink source parent
[+] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -6 points 1 year ago So if you saw a post similar to the example i gave, it would not seem disingenuous to reduce the whole US argument to one talking point which may or may not even be a popular one? You have to realize that what this OP did can also be done in favour of pro-US/pro-capitalism rhetoric. You just have to permalink fedilink source parent