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[+] 57 points 1 year ago (33 children)
  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (30 children)

    When it comes to people you meet each day (friends, colleagues, schoolmates, ...), are there people among them you'd call 'genuinely evil'? Is it a majority of them?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    Honestly? Yeah, it's well over a majority. I wouldn't call them 'purely evil', but 'genuinely evil' is pretty much the norm in society. People just tend to compartmentalize their evil.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I feel like this is projection. How tf do you know "well over a majority" of people are compartmentalizing "evil", in a way so good that we can't detect it, but somehow you know this to be true and we should trust you? Why? How? What makes you special in knowing this? I'm sorry if I'm coming off rude, I just don't understand how people can say this with such confidence when they haven't asked "well over a majority" of humans. 😛

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In my personal experience, 95+% of people are, at the end of the day, pretty selfish. I don’t mean that they need to be saints, but almost everyone does not want to make small sacrifices to make the world a better place.

    I’m talking about people that don’t want to eat less meat or try to consume less, or maybe just give the benefit of the doubt to the other side.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    It feels so weird to pass by incredible filth on a daily basis, but then get taken aback by a worldview. You must have been through a lot, wish I could help somehow.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    pass by incredible filth on a daily basis

    Can you be more specific? What is this referring to?

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    It seems as though you somehow made it less specific lol

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    If you find it so repulsive, why do you browse all?

    Also, why use lemmy.world?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We talked about this over the weekend, you're going to need new material. I browse all because I like weird shit.

    Is this a fun conversation to have? I'm happy to talk about anything else if you are.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    We talked about this over the weekend

    I generally don't pay attention to usernames, so don't take this personally when I say I literally have no fucking idea who you are.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    There’s not a lot of difference between the average german citizen in 1940 and the average westerner today.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Feels almost like a non sequitur, even if not untrue. I know enough history to know that evil is banal, but that chiefly refers to people who stay silent, choose comfort over justice, and follow unethical orders. It's taking things a ways further to say most people are mostly evil, don't you think?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Comes down to your definition of evil, really. And how comfortable you are calling the majority of people evil - if you aren’t, obviously you’ll jump through a few extra hoops to keep that worldview intact.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Are you only here to sneer? At least do so interestingly.

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    You have done that yourself. I stopped to chat with someone else who seems to be in a dark place mentally. You seem only to delight in your darkness. I have marked your tendencies before, and the judgment remains.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Dog, I just don’t find comfort in burying my head in the sand. Humans are inherently capable of great evils - ignoring this fact enables the horrors to continue. But everyone’s always going to think they’re the good guy, so the orphan crushing machine crushes ever faster.

    Also, talking like a chode is totally a great way to sound smarter.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sorry you're not used to people who read, I'm just trying to say I already thought you were an asshole before I talked to you.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Go outside and start counting all the absolutely unnecessary gas guzzling SUVs. Walk your neighborhood with a trash bag and see what you collect. Ask yourself how many people you know are aware of the prison industrial complex, or would even care if they did know. How many people want subsidized housing in their neighborhoods to address homelessness? How many want some of the funding for their school districts to go to school districts in less fortunate neighborhoods? If there is a local home in obvious disrepair, how many people will gossip or complain to the municipality compared to how many will ask the neighbor if they need help?

    Most people are nice. That's not the same as not being evil. Not being evil takes work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    @the_q@lemmy.zip @LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone @politicalmemes@lemmy.worldI can't help but recall of two quotes: one from Rousseau who said "Humans are born good but society corrupts them", and another from Hobbes who said "Humans are a wolf to humans". While it seems like both thinkers couldn't agree with each other because both statements look different, the logical implications from Rousseau inevitably leads to that of Hobbes. I'll try to explain my point below.When Rousseau says "society corrupts good humans", he implies the existence of not-good humans because, as we know, society is made out of people (not just Soylent Green). Rousseau implies that the not-good humans were once good until they got corrupted by earlier not-good humans, which were corrupted by even earlier not-good humans... somewhere, non-goodness was born. Causality requires that a non-goodness stemmed from some kind of "patient zero of evilness".Now, religions would be tempted to think of this "patient zero" as something supernatural: Shaitan, Iblis, Angra Mainyu... It's not exactly wrong (as archetypal representation), but it's not accurate either: it's not something too otherworldly, it's right in front of us or, should I say, inside us.Take Derren Brown's "The Push" (a documentary about social compliance and conformity): before the auction gala where (spoiler)the person was cluelessly played by a hidden script to push someone from a rooftop, commiting murder to (in their mind) save themself(/spoiler), Derren conducted a "selection process" where the candidates would answer a test: unbeknownst to them, the test was beyond a questionnaire, it was evaluating who would keep standing up and sitting whenever a bell rang. They weren't told to do so: they were, instead, socially pressured to do it, because all the other candidates were doing it. It's the "monkey see, monkey do".Those who didn't watch The Push (watch it, it's illuminating) might ask: if the candidates weren't told to do it (switch between sitting and standing whenever a bell rings), how did the behavior emerge? The behavior was initially seeded by actors, people who initially acted on it. Then things got funnier: one by one, actors were removed and fresh, clueless candidates were added, until no actors were in the room, yet the behavior continued. It was carried among "generations" (batches of candidates).There was no devil behind this behavior. One argue "Derren Brown was the devil behind the scenes, conducting a social experiment", but something motivated those actors (e.g. money), just like something motivated the hypothetical "first evil human" to be evil, except... something also motivated clueless candidates to imitate it, just like something motivated the "Rousseau's good humans" to spread societal corruption.It's not a devil: it's humans, it's us. We're born with this wolf inside, and it just takes a "push" for it to howl. It's inherent to us because it's inherent to Nature.

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  • Humans are situational. That's what makes them interesting and worthwhile. Anything that is the same in every situation has no heart.

    I tend to think that you really see what people are made of in a tight spot. In a nice situation, everyone finds it easy to be kind. But even those who rise to a challenge and show true heart only do so when they really believe it is an option. That is the point of having hope.

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