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[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (22 children) You are not immune to propaganda permalink fedilink source hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago (7 children) Nearly everyone thinks that they are immune, but we're not, we just recognize some that probably wasn't targeted at us. As far as I am concerned, the only way to not be influenced by propaganda would be to completely avoid it and be some sort of hermit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 9 points 1 year ago Exactly. Blocking out ads wherever possible is the only way to not be influenced by advertising. At least it helps to know that one isn't immune to it. That helps to counteract the effects somewhat, but don't count on it if you aren't actively keeping your defenses up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sthetic@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) I bet there are hermit influencers who post videos where they hold the latest chamberpot up to the camera and extol its virtues. Then they post a shelfie that shows their latest book haul about transcendental meditation and bushcrafting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Hermits united. We get together every few years, swap stories about caves… it's good fun! For a hermit, that is… permalink fedilink source parent [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Do they just record the video to a usb drive, seal it in a bottle, and throw it in the ocean or something? Wouldn't posting it online revoke their hermit status? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sthetic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Yes, as long as the bottle is hermetically sealed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I guess if you only posted and never read the comments/otherwise consumed you’d still be safe. Just screaming into the void permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Screaming into the void is fun until the void screams back. permalink fedilink source parent [–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago Yeah, the thing about propaganda is that it works, and if it doesn't work, then the propagandists will come up with something else that does work. The thing is that they're constantly thinking about how to exploit you, while you're thinking about other stuff. So for example, I hate feeling like I receive a hard sell. So, if I am at a store and somebody tries to sell me something, I will not buy it, and in fact, I'll probably assume the product is so shoddy that it can't be sold without pressure. Same goes for popup ads online. But if a marketer knows this about me, then they can definitely manipulate me. They just have to do it in a way that I don't realize is marketing. And there are all sorts of campaigns like that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago Exactly.... The reason i run ad blocking at every level isnt to show that i'm too smart for marketing... It's because ads work on me.... my brain rejects certain ads for sure, and it says "psssshhh, how can people be dumb enough to buy that shit???".... but that doesnt mean i'm too smart for advertising and that it doesnt affect my brain in subtle other ways. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Which is why developers don’t want to talk to a salesperson and would rather just try the tool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, that is the generalization that the article pushed. It's not true, because developers are not homogeneous. The point of my statement is "if you are a developer, ignore this because it is not true. You don't have some sort of power that makes you immune to marketing. You're just as susceptible as the rest of us, just in a different way. Ya know, like everyone else is" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* Which is my point. Devs know they’re susceptible and want to avoid the propaganda. It’s the same reason most of them block ads. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 year ago* (6 children) Maybe some are. You may have fallen for some propaganda here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children) No, they aren't. Any one who thinks they are is more susceptible. Humans are social creatures, propaganda is a social contagion. The only people who could be would be those with no ties to anyone. Kind of a nonstarter for the whole "cooperative survival strategy" that humans got going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) That's propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I see what you're saying, but I'm done talking about this. Your logic is circular at its base, so there's nothing to talk about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Yeah, I was just trying to prove a point that anything that's a blanket statement saying everyone or no-one does something is invalid, unless it's a physical constraint. (Even those break inside neutron stars and black holes.) I agree with you that almost everyone is susceptible to propaganda, but to say that no one is immune is simply wrong. Anyway, sorry for being annoying and pedantic, but it was kind of on purpose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, but maybe we don't make that point on the statement that reminds people to be mindful of their beliefs and where they picked them up from. Feels like a thing that we should maybe encourage in people more, if anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago But the article’s not talking about social humans. It’s talking about developers, probably the most antisocial humans to exist. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago (7 children) Nearly everyone thinks that they are immune, but we're not, we just recognize some that probably wasn't targeted at us. As far as I am concerned, the only way to not be influenced by propaganda would be to completely avoid it and be some sort of hermit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 9 points 1 year ago Exactly. Blocking out ads wherever possible is the only way to not be influenced by advertising. At least it helps to know that one isn't immune to it. That helps to counteract the effects somewhat, but don't count on it if you aren't actively keeping your defenses up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sthetic@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) I bet there are hermit influencers who post videos where they hold the latest chamberpot up to the camera and extol its virtues. Then they post a shelfie that shows their latest book haul about transcendental meditation and bushcrafting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Hermits united. We get together every few years, swap stories about caves… it's good fun! For a hermit, that is… permalink fedilink source parent [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Do they just record the video to a usb drive, seal it in a bottle, and throw it in the ocean or something? Wouldn't posting it online revoke their hermit status? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sthetic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Yes, as long as the bottle is hermetically sealed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I guess if you only posted and never read the comments/otherwise consumed you’d still be safe. Just screaming into the void permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Screaming into the void is fun until the void screams back. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 9 points 1 year ago Exactly. Blocking out ads wherever possible is the only way to not be influenced by advertising. At least it helps to know that one isn't immune to it. That helps to counteract the effects somewhat, but don't count on it if you aren't actively keeping your defenses up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sthetic@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (5 children) I bet there are hermit influencers who post videos where they hold the latest chamberpot up to the camera and extol its virtues. Then they post a shelfie that shows their latest book haul about transcendental meditation and bushcrafting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Hermits united. We get together every few years, swap stories about caves… it's good fun! For a hermit, that is… permalink fedilink source parent [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Do they just record the video to a usb drive, seal it in a bottle, and throw it in the ocean or something? Wouldn't posting it online revoke their hermit status? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sthetic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Yes, as long as the bottle is hermetically sealed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I guess if you only posted and never read the comments/otherwise consumed you’d still be safe. Just screaming into the void permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Screaming into the void is fun until the void screams back. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Hermits united. We get together every few years, swap stories about caves… it's good fun! For a hermit, that is… permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) Do they just record the video to a usb drive, seal it in a bottle, and throw it in the ocean or something? Wouldn't posting it online revoke their hermit status? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sthetic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Yes, as long as the bottle is hermetically sealed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I guess if you only posted and never read the comments/otherwise consumed you’d still be safe. Just screaming into the void permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Screaming into the void is fun until the void screams back. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sthetic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago Yes, as long as the bottle is hermetically sealed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I guess if you only posted and never read the comments/otherwise consumed you’d still be safe. Just screaming into the void permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Screaming into the void is fun until the void screams back. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Screaming into the void is fun until the void screams back. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago Yeah, the thing about propaganda is that it works, and if it doesn't work, then the propagandists will come up with something else that does work. The thing is that they're constantly thinking about how to exploit you, while you're thinking about other stuff. So for example, I hate feeling like I receive a hard sell. So, if I am at a store and somebody tries to sell me something, I will not buy it, and in fact, I'll probably assume the product is so shoddy that it can't be sold without pressure. Same goes for popup ads online. But if a marketer knows this about me, then they can definitely manipulate me. They just have to do it in a way that I don't realize is marketing. And there are all sorts of campaigns like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago Exactly.... The reason i run ad blocking at every level isnt to show that i'm too smart for marketing... It's because ads work on me.... my brain rejects certain ads for sure, and it says "psssshhh, how can people be dumb enough to buy that shit???".... but that doesnt mean i'm too smart for advertising and that it doesnt affect my brain in subtle other ways. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Which is why developers don’t want to talk to a salesperson and would rather just try the tool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, that is the generalization that the article pushed. It's not true, because developers are not homogeneous. The point of my statement is "if you are a developer, ignore this because it is not true. You don't have some sort of power that makes you immune to marketing. You're just as susceptible as the rest of us, just in a different way. Ya know, like everyone else is" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* Which is my point. Devs know they’re susceptible and want to avoid the propaganda. It’s the same reason most of them block ads. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yes, that is the generalization that the article pushed. It's not true, because developers are not homogeneous. The point of my statement is "if you are a developer, ignore this because it is not true. You don't have some sort of power that makes you immune to marketing. You're just as susceptible as the rest of us, just in a different way. Ya know, like everyone else is" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* Which is my point. Devs know they’re susceptible and want to avoid the propaganda. It’s the same reason most of them block ads. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* Which is my point. Devs know they’re susceptible and want to avoid the propaganda. It’s the same reason most of them block ads. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 year ago* (6 children) Maybe some are. You may have fallen for some propaganda here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children) No, they aren't. Any one who thinks they are is more susceptible. Humans are social creatures, propaganda is a social contagion. The only people who could be would be those with no ties to anyone. Kind of a nonstarter for the whole "cooperative survival strategy" that humans got going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) That's propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I see what you're saying, but I'm done talking about this. Your logic is circular at its base, so there's nothing to talk about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Yeah, I was just trying to prove a point that anything that's a blanket statement saying everyone or no-one does something is invalid, unless it's a physical constraint. (Even those break inside neutron stars and black holes.) I agree with you that almost everyone is susceptible to propaganda, but to say that no one is immune is simply wrong. Anyway, sorry for being annoying and pedantic, but it was kind of on purpose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, but maybe we don't make that point on the statement that reminds people to be mindful of their beliefs and where they picked them up from. Feels like a thing that we should maybe encourage in people more, if anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago But the article’s not talking about social humans. It’s talking about developers, probably the most antisocial humans to exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children) No, they aren't. Any one who thinks they are is more susceptible. Humans are social creatures, propaganda is a social contagion. The only people who could be would be those with no ties to anyone. Kind of a nonstarter for the whole "cooperative survival strategy" that humans got going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) That's propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I see what you're saying, but I'm done talking about this. Your logic is circular at its base, so there's nothing to talk about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Yeah, I was just trying to prove a point that anything that's a blanket statement saying everyone or no-one does something is invalid, unless it's a physical constraint. (Even those break inside neutron stars and black holes.) I agree with you that almost everyone is susceptible to propaganda, but to say that no one is immune is simply wrong. Anyway, sorry for being annoying and pedantic, but it was kind of on purpose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, but maybe we don't make that point on the statement that reminds people to be mindful of their beliefs and where they picked them up from. Feels like a thing that we should maybe encourage in people more, if anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago But the article’s not talking about social humans. It’s talking about developers, probably the most antisocial humans to exist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 year ago (3 children) That's propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I see what you're saying, but I'm done talking about this. Your logic is circular at its base, so there's nothing to talk about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Yeah, I was just trying to prove a point that anything that's a blanket statement saying everyone or no-one does something is invalid, unless it's a physical constraint. (Even those break inside neutron stars and black holes.) I agree with you that almost everyone is susceptible to propaganda, but to say that no one is immune is simply wrong. Anyway, sorry for being annoying and pedantic, but it was kind of on purpose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, but maybe we don't make that point on the statement that reminds people to be mindful of their beliefs and where they picked them up from. Feels like a thing that we should maybe encourage in people more, if anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I see what you're saying, but I'm done talking about this. Your logic is circular at its base, so there's nothing to talk about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Yeah, I was just trying to prove a point that anything that's a blanket statement saying everyone or no-one does something is invalid, unless it's a physical constraint. (Even those break inside neutron stars and black holes.) I agree with you that almost everyone is susceptible to propaganda, but to say that no one is immune is simply wrong. Anyway, sorry for being annoying and pedantic, but it was kind of on purpose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, but maybe we don't make that point on the statement that reminds people to be mindful of their beliefs and where they picked them up from. Feels like a thing that we should maybe encourage in people more, if anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Yeah, I was just trying to prove a point that anything that's a blanket statement saying everyone or no-one does something is invalid, unless it's a physical constraint. (Even those break inside neutron stars and black holes.) I agree with you that almost everyone is susceptible to propaganda, but to say that no one is immune is simply wrong. Anyway, sorry for being annoying and pedantic, but it was kind of on purpose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, but maybe we don't make that point on the statement that reminds people to be mindful of their beliefs and where they picked them up from. Feels like a thing that we should maybe encourage in people more, if anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, but maybe we don't make that point on the statement that reminds people to be mindful of their beliefs and where they picked them up from. Feels like a thing that we should maybe encourage in people more, if anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago But the article’s not talking about social humans. It’s talking about developers, probably the most antisocial humans to exist. permalink fedilink source parent