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[–] 156 points 1 year ago* (126 children)

I never heard of tankies until I got to lemmy.

The first thing that I ever saw from them was a meme about how Joseph Stalin had very little in the way of material things when he died, despite the position he held.

And I was like Bitch, I care about Stalin's earthly possessions in the exact same way that I care about Hitler's painting with watercolors skill set.

This got me thinking about my western canadian upbringing through the back half of the Cold War. A steady stream of western indictrination and perspective. I recall zero words spoken about Joseph Stalin's personal life or spending habits.

So who the fuck was that meme aimed at? Who is out there, just wanting to love Stalin, but can't on account of thinking he lived in opulence? Who is out there heaping scorn on Stalin for what he owned or didn't?

That's when I realized that tankies are just a combination of Flat Earthers/Sovereign Citizens. It’s all bullshit, and the point is to be exceedingly difficult to talk to.

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  • [–] [S] 62 points 1 year ago (37 children)

    There are actually plenty of tankies on Reddit, but with Reddit you have to pretty much seek it out because of the massive user base

    Legend goes that dessalines actually started Lemmy because their Reddit main got perm banned because he went a lil too tankie

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I remember a huge dustup maybe 4 years ago where tankies infiltrated and tried to take over a bunch of left leaning subs within a few weeks. They do it regularly too. I've noticed quite a few db0 accounts that are around 9 months old spewing the usual tankie shit.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Indeed as an Anarchist, tankies and maga conservatives are the mirror of each other, it's just who holds the hammer and gun that differs.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Normally I would say one should not back off of a phrase just because it has been used in bad faith by other groups, not so sure about this one however. Not the least as since middle eastern people are all semites west of Iran it just doesn't fit as a definition as it is used.

    But yes you touch on the Crux of the matter, Israel is directly Allied to actual Nazis and fascists actively pursuing those old school conspiracy theories about Jewish people. Benjamin netanyahu's son tweeted in support of the Charlottesville Nazis and heaped scorn on the anti-fascists that fought with them in the streets.

    It is an unholy alliance, with Evangelical groups as much as any. They are literally supporting the worst things in Israel to bring on the Rapture so the world drowns in lakes of blood and Fire. That is not hyperbole.

    I for one oppose drowning the world in lakes of blood and fire, as I suspect most of the electorate does.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    https://www.huffpost.com/archive/au/entry/israeli-pms-son-says-leftist-thugs-are-more-dangerous-than-ne_au_5cd36988e4b0acea950062b3. I believe contains the trolling of netanyahu's son, which is not limited to after this incident, apparently he also likes to post memes, one of which earned him the praise of David Duke.

    There are otherwise and open alliance with the far right that still pushes a lot of these Jewish themed conspiracies on the right that miss the big picture.

    As to the evangelicals, I forget they are about 25% of the Republican electorate, almost uniformly Republican very low numbers that vote otherwise, they have been making huge inroads in Latin America they're up to 30% of the religious population down there now in places, also in roads into African countries, they have sponsored a lot of the anti-gay legislation like in Uganda or wherever.

    But as to their seeking of the rapture, I would not know where to even find and post that, they have not shut up about it for like hundreds of years, it is like mostly from Revelations I think, and wars in the Middle East are like a harbinger of the second coming of Christ, where the faithful will be brought to heaven and everyone else will drown in lakes of blood and fire in an eternal hellscape.

    The evangelicals were the largest part of the president's base within the party, in 2016 he had 30% of the primary voters enthrall to him, and it was mostly evangelicals they have not wavered in their support yet, they feel he is bringing along the end of times quite nicely.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Legend goes that dessalines actually started Lemmy because their Reddit main got perm banned because he went a lil too tankie

    Hey dessalines, care to chime in on why you are the way you are?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Tankies never venture into this community, despite this being a place where they can freely discuss their viewpoints. It's because they know their positions don't hold any weight, and they're afraid of being scrutinised.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Funnily enough, for all of the prominent Tankie talk about not wanting to be an echo chamber and welcoming debate, .ml actually has this comm instance-blocked LMAO

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    alot of tankies probably got banned from reddit for the same reason they are getting blocked/defederated here. plus we get conservatives too trickling from time to time.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Same here, never heard of them before Lemmy. I was shocked by their illogical statements and behavior. I couldn't believe anyone could hold such inconsistent beliefs and not just melt their brain, by so many mental gymnastics and plot holes. I still can't. It just makes way more sense that they are all done kind of weird Russian ai experiment.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    They kind of betray each other a lot of the times where some say that tiananmen square massacre didn't happen and others saying that they are color revolutionaries and absolutely deserved it.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I personally know a born-and-raised Chinese person who's loyal to the regime. Not even he denies the Uyghur genocide. He just admits that he thinks china should be an ethnostate. I think about that every time I see some keyboard warrier say the genocide is western propaganda.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    asians are pretty hardcore conservatives, at least for the older generation. vietnam, china,,,etc. thats why you seem them "rallying" with right/white supremacists quite often, also older millennials(35+) tend to gear towards conservatism more than progressivism/left leaning ideology. Or at the most they support some left leaning, but does not like things gay marriage,weed,drugs,,,,etc. i know people that are this way. also notice asians that have at least some religious upbringing, either christianity or buddhism(funny enough) and left the religion partially, but became more right wing when trump came around. i knew someone early in college that was a vietnamese immigrant, he was very PRO-BUSH,war. and yes i am asians.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I've found it very curious how Tankies will apply a coat of liberal paint to authoritarian states like China, Iran and Russia. They don't realise that diversity and the freedom of self-expression they so love are all largely suppressed in these states.

    very much a chickens for KFC scenario.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    i wish all the stupidity i see in the world was the result of russian misinformation, but that's almost too optimistic a position to hold in my eyes...guess we'll see if/when russia collapses from fighting ukraine, if it all just dries up.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    I too, have never heard of tankies before joining lemmy.

    Imagine my surprise, when i, a guy from a post-soviet country, where the fans of soviets are endangered species, see them all fanboying over dictators of the past century over here lol

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    The best part they're from countries that never even remotely experienced soviet horrors. The lead tankies are from Netherlands and many other appear to be from flyover states of the US lol

    and obvious it's invaded by ruzi bots

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    i wouldn't call them horrors per se.

    I would call raping, torturing and destroying cultures of the occupied countries quite horrible, no? gtfo with this bullshit my dude.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    This is so relatable. I'm from a former communist country. The first time I encountered a large group of tankies was on Reddit around the TikTok ban. It was stunning. It had me thinking "My god, the far-right will put us all in the same boat as these weirdos and sink the boat"

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Here's my 2¢ on how that kinda post might've been effective propaganda on me if I just saw it in the background long enough.

    I grew up in America in a conservative area and everyone saw wealth as success and legitness. I now find myself beliving that if you live in excessive luxury that you are part of the problem. I can see how learning Stalin didn't have much when he died would appeal to a certain leftist in me and changes the emperor tone I originally picture him with.

    I have other issues with Stalin, but maybe if I'd've lived on .ml long enough those kinda posts could've slowly changed what comes to mind when I think of him.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

    I have other issues with Stalin, but maybe if I'd've lived on .ml long enough those kinda posts could've slowly changed what comes to mind when I think of him.

    Conservative estimates state that Stalin was directly responsible for twenty million deaths.

    There is no charm offensive that will "slowly change what comes to mind" when thinking of Joseph Stalin.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well I'm no historian. I didn't have that number. My point is that I don't think about Stalin that much, and, without grounding, posting about how minimalist Stalin was sounds like a decently effective way to change how I view him.

    It sounds like you've got a much more detailed understanding of Stalin than I do.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Anyone my age range or older would have no excuse for not knowing what kind of monster Stalin was. Anyone who has spoken to survivors who escaped his regime would never have the fucking audacity.

    By comparison, Pol Pot was responsible for the killing fields in Cambodia. His murder spree is just a rounding error in Stalin's body of work.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    and how many of those were invading nazis?

    Stop trying to put lipstick on a pig.

    "Don't believe the victims!"

    Isn't the part of a winning charm offensive.

    Any quibbling you attempt in an effort to massage the numbers just dies, when you consider that the numbers you want to fiddle with are in the fucking millions.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    My first interactions on lemmy here were with a large pod of tankies on memes of all places.

    It was not clear to me they were anything but super politically correct Americans so I argued with them for like a hundred different replies before one of them told me, then they kept brigading me and following me on to other posts and such.

    Then my phone started acting wonky and I got afraid I was getting hacked by them so I made a new account, I do not know if they can find you from Lemmy but I still have both.

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  • Kind of likewise; coming from Reddit the political weirdos were American conservative types, "Jesus needs more guns to shoot the gays and the poor and the blacks" sort of folks. The idea of fervent fucking Soviets on the English speaking internet was new and instantly boring.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Based on how fucking bad they are at peddling their shit, my alternate theory is that they've been funded by some western democracy foundation, with the brief of making anything that is Warsaw Pact scented as unpalatable as humanly possible.

    Like PETA working overtime to get people to hate Vegans.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    It’s all bullshit, and the point is to be exceedingly difficult to talk to.

    Holy shit does this make a lot of sense.

    This so explains why people who at first glance appear to be reasonable/somewhat aligned, start spouting off some vague nonsense about how you should have done the mandatory readings of this and that manifest to understand what you clearly are missing.

    I've been racking my brain but it just being angsty alt people who thrive on being in that outcast group, so they can feel they've discovered some powerful secrets other people just don't get.

    That said, this community has suspiciously strict rules too, so its kinda seeming like lemmy is only better than reddit in that it hasn't been around long enough to be enshittified and that there will probably always exist at least some sane instances.

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