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On .ml, "Slava Ukraini" is considered a "fascist slogan" and will be removed. Remember that when you see them accusing someone or something of being a fascist (media.piefed.world)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
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[–] -2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

20 million deaths

and how many of those were invading nazis?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    and how many of those were invading nazis?

    Stop trying to put lipstick on a pig.

    "Don't believe the victims!"

    Isn't the part of a winning charm offensive.

    Any quibbling you attempt in an effort to massage the numbers just dies, when you consider that the numbers you want to fiddle with are in the fucking millions.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My point is if they have to pad the stat with millions of dead nazis, what else are they willing to lie about?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    If they are in that number, then the about 1 million dead nazi soldiers are about 10% of "padding". If you reduce one million from "about 20 million", you still have about 20 million. If there's padding, it disappears within the rounding error.

    So, was your argument that "I assume they were padding the stats without actually checking if they did, therefore they have lied, therefore they have lied on other things as well"?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (8 children)

    About 1 to 2 million. 1.1 million soldiers dead on Nazi Germany's eastern front, plus some 1 million "MIA + POW", of which some amount might be dead as well?

    Why was this important for you to know?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (7 children)

    What were did you get that 1 million number lmao

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)

    From not all wounded dying.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

    Asked them all personally? 🤣

    So the death count on the eastern front is usually 4-5 million. Least according to the cursory glance on wikipedia before i put this comment up. Where are you getting your number

    That's not to speak of all the german settlers that were looking to take advantage of the extended "lebensraum"

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    Where are you getting your number

    A different page on Wikipedia.

    But yes, checking a couple more pages there, I do get the same 4 million as a number.

    That would be already 20 % of the 20 million. Assumed they are count in that number. But still, 90% are something else. (Also, I've always heard about 60 million as number of Stalin's victims. It feels weird that someone would inflate numbers and get to 20 million when 60 million is often quoted).

    Asked them all personally? 🤣

    No, by the time I was born, they were all dead. That's what dying causes.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    This of course brings us back to my original point "if they have to pad the stat with millions of dead nazis, what else are they willing to lie about?"

    Also here is a good article debunking these "black book of communism" statistics https://discomfiting.medium.com/debunking-communism-killed-more-people-than-naziism-7a9880696f67

    more involved https://jacobin.com/2025/01/black-book-communism-courtois-history

    also just for the lols https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2025/12/17/canada-monument-victims-communism-no-names-nazi-controversy

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Aha.

    It's not nice when Lemmygraders taint decent instances. Mrhmph.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    lalala youre just a tankie cant hear your arguments 🙉🙈

    nice comeback

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I have heard them before. I was completely able to hear them (or more/precisely: read them.)

    I have learned how useful it is to spend time arguing against those arguments. There are arguments against yours and they will get simply ignored.

    And obviously, now you say you identify as a tankie. If you identify as a supporter of a country using military force against its own civilians, you support things I see as evil. That does not motivate me to give you the privilege of arguing.

    In any case, I wish you a peaceful yule time!

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