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[–] 156 points 1 year ago* (126 children)

I never heard of tankies until I got to lemmy.

The first thing that I ever saw from them was a meme about how Joseph Stalin had very little in the way of material things when he died, despite the position he held.

And I was like Bitch, I care about Stalin's earthly possessions in the exact same way that I care about Hitler's painting with watercolors skill set.

This got me thinking about my western canadian upbringing through the back half of the Cold War. A steady stream of western indictrination and perspective. I recall zero words spoken about Joseph Stalin's personal life or spending habits.

So who the fuck was that meme aimed at? Who is out there, just wanting to love Stalin, but can't on account of thinking he lived in opulence? Who is out there heaping scorn on Stalin for what he owned or didn't?

That's when I realized that tankies are just a combination of Flat Earthers/Sovereign Citizens. It’s all bullshit, and the point is to be exceedingly difficult to talk to.

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  • [–] [S] 62 points 1 year ago (37 children)

    There are actually plenty of tankies on Reddit, but with Reddit you have to pretty much seek it out because of the massive user base

    Legend goes that dessalines actually started Lemmy because their Reddit main got perm banned because he went a lil too tankie

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I remember a huge dustup maybe 4 years ago where tankies infiltrated and tried to take over a bunch of left leaning subs within a few weeks. They do it regularly too. I've noticed quite a few db0 accounts that are around 9 months old spewing the usual tankie shit.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They do it regularly too. I’ve noticed quite a few db0 accounts that are around 9 months old spewing the usual tankie shit.

    We've been noticing the same. your thoughts?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Pretty sure it's just an attempt to normalize their talking points by worming them into discussions. Spreading to different instances is a reaction to grad and hex being largely defederated and ml names being a huge red flag for a bunch of people. I think the reality is that even if everyone defederates every tankie instance, they'll keep creeping in through different instances. I don't see a solution beyond simply keeping an eye out and tagging/moderating individuals as they pop up.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    and what if they're okay with those users and instances?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Who's they? The broader fediverse or mods or both? I guess in either case the thing to do would be tag the users, downvote, and call out their bad talking points. Hopefully enough people pile on to show that we won't swallow their bullshit.

    It's tough when they're clever about it. It took me months to realize what cowbee was doing. Luckily most of them aren't that clever.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Legend goes that dessalines actually started Lemmy because their Reddit main got perm banned because he went a lil too tankie

    Hey dessalines, care to chime in on why you are the way you are?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Tankies never venture into this community, despite this being a place where they can freely discuss their viewpoints. It's because they know their positions don't hold any weight, and they're afraid of being scrutinised.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Funnily enough, for all of the prominent Tankie talk about not wanting to be an echo chamber and welcoming debate, .ml actually has this comm instance-blocked LMAO

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    alot of tankies probably got banned from reddit for the same reason they are getting blocked/defederated here. plus we get conservatives too trickling from time to time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (19 children)

    tankies get astroturfed by right wingers so much they are pretty much invisible. and the ones on the "left" but not extreme left filters them enough for the same results.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    What's the "extreme left"? Anarchists? Why would they support authoritarianism?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Indeed as an Anarchist, tankies and maga conservatives are the mirror of each other, it's just who holds the hammer and gun that differs.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    You won't see a tankie doing a nazi salute, but you will find them spouting the same antisemitism

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Anti-Semitism as a phrase is broken, maybe you should find a new word to use that isn't poisoned. Did you know that the Arab peoples are semitic?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    what do you mean broken? what do you propose instead?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

    Idk what to use instead but the Nazis busy accusing everybody opposing the Nazi shit in the Middle East right now of being anti-Semitic has ruined that phrase.

    Ie, Israel's others, forced into ghettos Israel controls where they control everything coming in and out, impoverishing the populations for decades, have after a ghetto Uprising embarked on a final solution, first for Gaza later for the ghettos in the West Bank.

    Anyone calling this for what it is is accused of anti-semitism. And every organization has been bullied into accepting it as a valid criticism, from social media companies to political organizations to universities. So I don't know what a replacement phrase should be, but that phrase I believe is broken.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    For Israel's actions, I just call it imperialism or atrocities.

    I'm hesitant about changing anti-semitism or changing zionism to mean imperialism/occupation due to the fuel it'll give alt-righters and antisemites to hide their bigotry. Had a user here who was using "zio," a phrase coined by the KKK leader David Duke.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Normally I would say one should not back off of a phrase just because it has been used in bad faith by other groups, not so sure about this one however. Not the least as since middle eastern people are all semites west of Iran it just doesn't fit as a definition as it is used.

    But yes you touch on the Crux of the matter, Israel is directly Allied to actual Nazis and fascists actively pursuing those old school conspiracy theories about Jewish people. Benjamin netanyahu's son tweeted in support of the Charlottesville Nazis and heaped scorn on the anti-fascists that fought with them in the streets.

    It is an unholy alliance, with Evangelical groups as much as any. They are literally supporting the worst things in Israel to bring on the Rapture so the world drowns in lakes of blood and Fire. That is not hyperbole.

    I for one oppose drowning the world in lakes of blood and fire, as I suspect most of the electorate does.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I've never really heard any of this stuff before. If you can link it, that'd be cool

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    https://www.huffpost.com/archive/au/entry/israeli-pms-son-says-leftist-thugs-are-more-dangerous-than-ne_au_5cd36988e4b0acea950062b3. I believe contains the trolling of netanyahu's son, which is not limited to after this incident, apparently he also likes to post memes, one of which earned him the praise of David Duke.

    There are otherwise and open alliance with the far right that still pushes a lot of these Jewish themed conspiracies on the right that miss the big picture.

    As to the evangelicals, I forget they are about 25% of the Republican electorate, almost uniformly Republican very low numbers that vote otherwise, they have been making huge inroads in Latin America they're up to 30% of the religious population down there now in places, also in roads into African countries, they have sponsored a lot of the anti-gay legislation like in Uganda or wherever.

    But as to their seeking of the rapture, I would not know where to even find and post that, they have not shut up about it for like hundreds of years, it is like mostly from Revelations I think, and wars in the Middle East are like a harbinger of the second coming of Christ, where the faithful will be brought to heaven and everyone else will drown in lakes of blood and fire in an eternal hellscape.

    The evangelicals were the largest part of the president's base within the party, in 2016 he had 30% of the primary voters enthrall to him, and it was mostly evangelicals they have not wavered in their support yet, they feel he is bringing along the end of times quite nicely.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Your source doesn't show that he supported Charlottesville, but instead that he opposed anti-fascists and also the neo-nazis, calling the anti-fascists a stronger force.

    Still incredibly stupid though.

    The apocalypse stuff sounds fun though, always love reading insane cults

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    He attacked anti-fascists the day after they fought the Nazis in Charlottesville, under posts about that. That is absolutely trolling in support of nazis.

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    The day after anti-fascists answer the call for help from counter protesters to the unite the right rally that were attacked from those far-right protesters, that netanyahu's son attacked the anti-fascists on that subject.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ohhh, you're right. I should've known that

    I was thinking that there were protestors, and then the neo-nazis and then the anti-fascists and the protestors were being attacked by both. My mistake

    Do you think Charlottesville was the start of the alt-right takeover in the US?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think this is the culmination of a half centuries long game, from The Business Roundtable in 1972 that came up with a strategy for them to cooperatively kill the New Deal and everything. The plan is finally fruiting, but they have also lost control of the political monster they created and whether they know it yet or not it will destroy them.

    The alt-right are just tools of the rich connected that are involved with this. As soon as they consolidate power they will get rid of them. Like the brown shirts. Almost everybody that supports them will not be needed after they consolidate power and be relegated to lower castes.

    But yeah that was the period of time they came out of their nazi vlosets on the alt right, harrambe was the deciding moment somehow, or about a week earlier when a rat crawled inside of the Hadrian collider when it was going.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I guess he refers to the fact that the US/UK uses it to label human rights activism as terrorism.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I'm a little weary about using human rights activism, as that's exactly the same as what anti-immigration and "white replacement" nazis say, 'We're protesting human rights' -- Not that I'm calling them nazis, just that it doesn't magically make groups infallible. Actions speak louder than words

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Same here, never heard of them before Lemmy. I was shocked by their illogical statements and behavior. I couldn't believe anyone could hold such inconsistent beliefs and not just melt their brain, by so many mental gymnastics and plot holes. I still can't. It just makes way more sense that they are all done kind of weird Russian ai experiment.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    They kind of betray each other a lot of the times where some say that tiananmen square massacre didn't happen and others saying that they are color revolutionaries and absolutely deserved it.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I personally know a born-and-raised Chinese person who's loyal to the regime. Not even he denies the Uyghur genocide. He just admits that he thinks china should be an ethnostate. I think about that every time I see some keyboard warrier say the genocide is western propaganda.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    asians are pretty hardcore conservatives, at least for the older generation. vietnam, china,,,etc. thats why you seem them "rallying" with right/white supremacists quite often, also older millennials(35+) tend to gear towards conservatism more than progressivism/left leaning ideology. Or at the most they support some left leaning, but does not like things gay marriage,weed,drugs,,,,etc. i know people that are this way. also notice asians that have at least some religious upbringing, either christianity or buddhism(funny enough) and left the religion partially, but became more right wing when trump came around. i knew someone early in college that was a vietnamese immigrant, he was very PRO-BUSH,war. and yes i am asians.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I've found it very curious how Tankies will apply a coat of liberal paint to authoritarian states like China, Iran and Russia. They don't realise that diversity and the freedom of self-expression they so love are all largely suppressed in these states.

    very much a chickens for KFC scenario.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I was willing to listen to them until I was the target of completely unfounded censorship. I figured, meh maybe they have a few nuggets of wisdom. They called me a racist and a xenophobe for a meme I made that neither contained racism or race.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    can you link that comment? did ya get banned?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Think it was deleted, but it was the guy checking out another girl meme and the one with him I wrote "my 4080 RTX gaming rig" and the one he's looking at was "my Steam Deck" I posted with a filler title of "rice" because it's a required field and that's what swipe spit out.

    It was considered racist to use the word rice.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    whaaat? can you find that post? that's wild

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    i wish all the stupidity i see in the world was the result of russian misinformation, but that's almost too optimistic a position to hold in my eyes...guess we'll see if/when russia collapses from fighting ukraine, if it all just dries up.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's not just Russian troll farms now. Russia, China and Iran have combined their troll farms, and it's just steamrolling through social media.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    I too, have never heard of tankies before joining lemmy.

    Imagine my surprise, when i, a guy from a post-soviet country, where the fans of soviets are endangered species, see them all fanboying over dictators of the past century over here lol

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    The best part they're from countries that never even remotely experienced soviet horrors. The lead tankies are from Netherlands and many other appear to be from flyover states of the US lol

    and obvious it's invaded by ruzi bots

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    i wouldn't call them horrors per se. something was bad, something was good, something was brief, something still lingers around with its lasting consequences smacking people's asses. The same could be told about USA, or any other country, and to be frank, judging from the height of my sofa, i'm happy enough with what i have.

    I think, it's a good habit i've developed recently — to stop spiraling about all the bad things happening near me to take a good look at what I usually take for granted. Ambitions are good, but i can't stress enough how tiring they are to have.

    Tbh, i feel reluctant to call them bots, I've met a bunch of agressive and confused people, and i can't say there's any difference. That way, everyone can be a bot

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    i wouldn't call them horrors per se.

    I would call raping, torturing and destroying cultures of the occupied countries quite horrible, no? gtfo with this bullshit my dude.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    "raping" is something i'm not aware of, sorry, you'd need to elaborate.

    Torturing? I mean, sure you can call it that, not the word i'd personally choose to describe it, but yeah, the harm was done.

    On the topic of cultural destruction, i need you to elaborate as well. While i'm aware of supression of regional smaller cultures, i'm not aware of any that actually died out, (or died out by force, rather, Eskimos cultures were more-less tribal, and those never stay around without a proper isolation), even though some of them suffered stagnation. The latter was always considered by me as an inherent casuality of progress and overall globalisation tendencies. I guess more-less direct analogy would be the American "Melting Pot".

    I think, further proof of my hypothesis could also be the modern state of the smaller cultures I'm familiar with:

    • modern Ukrainian culture is still pretty stagnant, and more-less follows the modern intercultural tendencies inhereted from the western culture, with an additional blend of rejection of the soviet past. The stagnation part is due to opression, you might argue, but...

    • I got to live several years in Czechia, and i can't say, that there's a much more developed and unique modern culture, despite far less pressure from the soviets, purely due to how far off it is. The only prominent difference i can see, is that in the culture of the, for instance, second half of the XX century — while 95% of Ukrainian arts and crafts were soviet-centric, Czech ones stayed more autonomous, even though still were heavily swayed, but in their cese by the western culture. But in exchange for that, Ukraine has a very bright cultural past in the late XIX — early XX centuries, while Chech were basically a part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Dozen of, now reverered as Czech, authors, for example, wrote their studies and fiction in German. No one seem to mourn that fact though.

    My point was, and being, while, like any of the red dictatures of the XX century, USSR was far from being a utopia, lots of people were opressed, but we still should consider the fact that our modern view is still biased by the propaganda of the western side of that period, as, obviously just as the modern culture, modern view of history is just as well western-centric.

    To give you a perspective, the soviet regime, while being strict and opressive, managed to raise pleades of world class scientists and managed to build world class infrastructure of that time, despite WWI and then the revolution, that left the historical region in ruin. I literally write it as i reside in a now-Ukrainian clinic, founded in the 30s by a soviet scientist (born at the territory of modern Russia), that is still one of the leading clinic in Europe, curing eye-related diseases.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

    those are the modern events I'm aware of. We were talking about the soviet opression.

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    yep, that's more like it, my appreciations.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    This was literally two seconds. Stop being intellectually lazy if you want to contribute to discussions about stuff like this.

    You are being extremely disrespectful to people that care about this stuff when you are this lazy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    hey, no one can care about literally everything in this world. This might sound cruel and unempathetic of me, but i've got lots of personal problems i should resolve, before i could allow myself to care about such things at a less leisurely level.

    And just like you respect the ones deceased and harmed by the past (which is genuinely admireable), I, out of my, for the lack of more descriptive words, apathy and cowardice, choose to respect more mondene kinds of people, those i'm not deliberately looking for, yet meet every day; by treating them as well and polite as i can, which includes an initiative for self-education. Topics for this purpose, of course, like any other human, i pick mainly by how much interest i have in them at the moment.

    Any discussions of recent history always contain a minefield of sensitive topics, so i want to clarify that this thread here exists purely out of my curiosity and a momentary will to educate myself, not out of ill intent, and i feel dirty as he|l every time i participate in topics like that, feeling that i might've harmed someone by my impolite asking, but this is simply the method that works for me the best.

    And while i understand why you act condescending, as i also hate when people behave lazyminded, i actually would much appreciate if the practice of "spoon-feeding the knowledge" would be more common amongst people, as it can help eliminate avoidable ignorance, and potentially spark the receiving end to deepen their knowledge later.

    This is why i prefer smaller communities like lemmy, as, while bigger crowds tend to incapsulate in echo-chambers, smaller ones enforce the mild friction of opposing opinions. And yes, my feelings about the instances' defederation system are bitter to say the least.

    sorry for blabbering all this huge pile of text, i hope you have a great day.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    If you don't care, demanding other people educate you in super disrespectful.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    i've said what i had and wanted to say, and why i feel the way i do, it's your decision on what to think of it, but putting all i wrote into a phrase "not caring" is a very crude oversimplification.

    You ask of me to stop acting lazy, yet you're reluctant to merely read my comment yourself. I hope my writing skills aren't actually that bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    You said

    no one can care about literally everything in this world. This might sound cruel and unempathetic of me, but i’ve got lots of personal problems i should resolve, before i could allow myself to care about such things at a less leisurely level.

    So if I say uncaring it's just true, not a simplification. It undercuts the rest of what you were saying.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    and i've literally dedicated a paragraph on why i think that "spoon-feeding" must be, if a person is caring enough to ask, but not caring enough to research. I don't care what you thik of me, but i really think the world would be a better place, if more people acted the way i proposed in that exact paragraph.

    I honestly expected your judgement to be more rational and less emotional, especially considering how fast you swayed towards the edge of the latter, how valuable it is to pereive history in it's original context, and how it's practically impossible to be convincing while acting like you do. In other words, i'm bitterly disappointed in you, random person in my phone, i thought you were a heart of gold, but now you seem more like a guilt-tripped pretender.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    it literally does not, and that's exactly why i wrote as many effing words as i did, because i know that people are scared of such long blankets of texts, so i avoid writing them whenever possible.

    And at this point i subconciously start to doubt your earlier theseses, simply because if i can't trust your reding comprehention in a casual conversation, i can't trust your reading comprehention in regards to scientific historical publications either, even though i know it's a biased and probably unjustified way of thought. Well done.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hmm

    Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I don't understand you.

    You were the one demanding other people educate you. If you won't take it my criticisms still stand.

    Bye.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    disagreement is not what i'm angry about, you haven't even read what i said, stopping at the first paragraph and acted all mighty and righteous, refusing to comprehend what's written further, stopping any semblance of discusrion then and there.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    What are you even on about. I grew up under soviet occupation. Not even going to entertain your troll attemps when you're questioning whether torturing and raping happend. Maybe start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gulag_camps

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    not questioning. Merely asking to educate me on the matter by providing some examples.

    As far as I am aware, those labor camps, despite the associations, were far from being similar to what the nazis did, and, to be frank, i can't say that modern penitentiary facilities in most countries progressed in terms of humanity in comparison.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    They were absolutely the same as nazi camps minus the ovens just because freezing people in Suberian winters was cheaper. You should really educate yourself because this ignorance is incredibly disrespectful for the survivors. Asking someone to spoon feed you in Lemmy comments is not the way.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    world class scientists

    And then killed some of them once they were no longer useful to the state, and continued to ignore scientists' warnings about the instability of USSR infrastructure

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    give me a few examples please. The only stories of that kind I've heard, where of Prokofev and Theremin, but otherwise, i'm not well aware of the matter.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can look at Chornobyl as an example, granted that was near the end of the soviet union

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    ChAES was a disaster, not a deliberate sabotage to kill the scientists, so i honestly fail to see how your example, of all other possibie ones, demonstrates that soviets somehow were worse than others, considering that everyone with access to the atomic and related advancements had committed a portion of their own mistakes in the field.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    This is so relatable. I'm from a former communist country. The first time I encountered a large group of tankies was on Reddit around the TikTok ban. It was stunning. It had me thinking "My god, the far-right will put us all in the same boat as these weirdos and sink the boat"

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Here's my 2¢ on how that kinda post might've been effective propaganda on me if I just saw it in the background long enough.

    I grew up in America in a conservative area and everyone saw wealth as success and legitness. I now find myself beliving that if you live in excessive luxury that you are part of the problem. I can see how learning Stalin didn't have much when he died would appeal to a certain leftist in me and changes the emperor tone I originally picture him with.

    I have other issues with Stalin, but maybe if I'd've lived on .ml long enough those kinda posts could've slowly changed what comes to mind when I think of him.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

    I have other issues with Stalin, but maybe if I'd've lived on .ml long enough those kinda posts could've slowly changed what comes to mind when I think of him.

    Conservative estimates state that Stalin was directly responsible for twenty million deaths.

    There is no charm offensive that will "slowly change what comes to mind" when thinking of Joseph Stalin.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well I'm no historian. I didn't have that number. My point is that I don't think about Stalin that much, and, without grounding, posting about how minimalist Stalin was sounds like a decently effective way to change how I view him.

    It sounds like you've got a much more detailed understanding of Stalin than I do.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Anyone my age range or older would have no excuse for not knowing what kind of monster Stalin was. Anyone who has spoken to survivors who escaped his regime would never have the fucking audacity.

    By comparison, Pol Pot was responsible for the killing fields in Cambodia. His murder spree is just a rounding error in Stalin's body of work.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    20 million deaths

    and how many of those were invading nazis?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    and how many of those were invading nazis?

    Stop trying to put lipstick on a pig.

    "Don't believe the victims!"

    Isn't the part of a winning charm offensive.

    Any quibbling you attempt in an effort to massage the numbers just dies, when you consider that the numbers you want to fiddle with are in the fucking millions.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My point is if they have to pad the stat with millions of dead nazis, what else are they willing to lie about?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    If they are in that number, then the about 1 million dead nazi soldiers are about 10% of "padding". If you reduce one million from "about 20 million", you still have about 20 million. If there's padding, it disappears within the rounding error.

    So, was your argument that "I assume they were padding the stats without actually checking if they did, therefore they have lied, therefore they have lied on other things as well"?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (8 children)

    About 1 to 2 million. 1.1 million soldiers dead on Nazi Germany's eastern front, plus some 1 million "MIA + POW", of which some amount might be dead as well?

    Why was this important for you to know?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (7 children)

    What were did you get that 1 million number lmao

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

    Asked them all personally? 🤣

    So the death count on the eastern front is usually 4-5 million. Least according to the cursory glance on wikipedia before i put this comment up. Where are you getting your number

    That's not to speak of all the german settlers that were looking to take advantage of the extended "lebensraum"

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    Where are you getting your number

    A different page on Wikipedia.

    But yes, checking a couple more pages there, I do get the same 4 million as a number.

    That would be already 20 % of the 20 million. Assumed they are count in that number. But still, 90% are something else. (Also, I've always heard about 60 million as number of Stalin's victims. It feels weird that someone would inflate numbers and get to 20 million when 60 million is often quoted).

    Asked them all personally? 🤣

    No, by the time I was born, they were all dead. That's what dying causes.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    This of course brings us back to my original point "if they have to pad the stat with millions of dead nazis, what else are they willing to lie about?"

    Also here is a good article debunking these "black book of communism" statistics https://discomfiting.medium.com/debunking-communism-killed-more-people-than-naziism-7a9880696f67

    more involved https://jacobin.com/2025/01/black-book-communism-courtois-history

    also just for the lols https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2025/12/17/canada-monument-victims-communism-no-names-nazi-controversy

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Aha.

    It's not nice when Lemmygraders taint decent instances. Mrhmph.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    lalala youre just a tankie cant hear your arguments 🙉🙈

    nice comeback

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I have heard them before. I was completely able to hear them (or more/precisely: read them.)

    I have learned how useful it is to spend time arguing against those arguments. There are arguments against yours and they will get simply ignored.

    And obviously, now you say you identify as a tankie. If you identify as a supporter of a country using military force against its own civilians, you support things I see as evil. That does not motivate me to give you the privilege of arguing.

    In any case, I wish you a peaceful yule time!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    My first interactions on lemmy here were with a large pod of tankies on memes of all places.

    It was not clear to me they were anything but super politically correct Americans so I argued with them for like a hundred different replies before one of them told me, then they kept brigading me and following me on to other posts and such.

    Then my phone started acting wonky and I got afraid I was getting hacked by them so I made a new account, I do not know if they can find you from Lemmy but I still have both.

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  • Kind of likewise; coming from Reddit the political weirdos were American conservative types, "Jesus needs more guns to shoot the gays and the poor and the blacks" sort of folks. The idea of fervent fucking Soviets on the English speaking internet was new and instantly boring.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Based on how fucking bad they are at peddling their shit, my alternate theory is that they've been funded by some western democracy foundation, with the brief of making anything that is Warsaw Pact scented as unpalatable as humanly possible.

    Like PETA working overtime to get people to hate Vegans.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Some people have made arguments that the leadership of the USSR simply replaced the old capitalist/aristocratic class and had access to their wealth through the levers of state power. I have not investigated the truthfulness of this claim, but I’m guessing this was a response to that talking point.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If they don't have their name written on it, just use the estates and other expensive things all their life it's technically not theirs. This is the tankie argument

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    It’s all bullshit, and the point is to be exceedingly difficult to talk to.

    Holy shit does this make a lot of sense.

    This so explains why people who at first glance appear to be reasonable/somewhat aligned, start spouting off some vague nonsense about how you should have done the mandatory readings of this and that manifest to understand what you clearly are missing.

    I've been racking my brain but it just being angsty alt people who thrive on being in that outcast group, so they can feel they've discovered some powerful secrets other people just don't get.

    That said, this community has suspiciously strict rules too, so its kinda seeming like lemmy is only better than reddit in that it hasn't been around long enough to be enshittified and that there will probably always exist at least some sane instances.

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