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[–] -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The business of organizing and spreading leftist propaganda.

I believe some millionaires want socialist revolution. Remember the bourgeoisie are not happy, even if they are better off than everyone else. They're alienated from their fellow man. The system keeps them afraid, makes them think their only option is to make more money. This all causes further isolation and fear.

If you're so concerned about it. You should probably get off Lemmy. The people who run Lemmy servers are running a business. They accept donations just like Vaush and Hassan. You're tainting yourself with capitalism by even posting here.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I believe some millionaires want socialist revolution.

    Do you also believe there's manosphere influencers that legitimately want to help young men get laid by selling them protein supplements?

    If you’re so concerned about it. You should probably get off Lemmy. The people who run Lemmy servers are running a business.

    I'm not a leftist that thinks someone making a living is inherently bad. I think people making millions of dollars by gifting the gullible on the internet is bad. If Hasan and Vaush were giving tours of their houses and showing off their lambos or whatever, I'd respect them more than what they're currently doing. I still wouldn't respect that either because that's trashy, but getting living a life of luxury by scamming people with cult-like ideology is the lowest of the low. This is MAGA megachurch kinda shit.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I think we both agree that in order for it to be a grift it needs to be insincere, right?

    From what I've seen, I think they're both sincere.

    What I'm hearing from you is that they're not sincere because... They have money?

    So if they had less money, but produce the exact same content they do today, you would cease to call them a grift?

    Am I understanding you correctly?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    How do you measure their sincerity? Is it the charity drives? Is it the way he insults trans people? Or the way he makes fun of victims of SA? I'm curious.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think your sources are either lying to you or not digging deeper than out of context clips.

    I don't know Hassan as well, but I would guess they're on the same page. Vaush has never seriously insulted trans people or seriously made fun of SA victims. Vaush is pro trans. And has seriously looked at public SA accusations on social media. Vaush also gives moral guidance against SA.

    As for the sincerity. He has explained his ideology from first principles. And they seem consistent to me. And his actions are in line with his ideology.

    Now there's no way to be sure of course. And you have a right to your own opinion.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Always with the "missing context" when it comes to Hassan.

    What I learned watching Hassan for one Week

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Okay, you've got a YouTube video that's full of clips. I don't know if the YouTuber is biased or not. And I don't know the full context behind the clips. And I'm not really that familiar with Hassan. It's really hard to have perfectly correct positions 100% of the time while events are happening. Hassan may have gone back and corrected his position on some of these things. So I can't really speak too well to any of this.

    We were discussing sincerity right? Is there anything in here that makes you believe that Hassan is not sincere?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's not clip chimped. Sign on Twitch and watch for yourself. I've been following Hassan for years. This really is the summation of his content (and most of his peers, as well). Their livelihood depends on a outraged and captured audience (same as Alex Jones). This guy does a better break down if you want more meta: Padda

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't have time to watch the video. I caught one argument where Hassan said:

    "The Palestinians should be able to use Force to protect their property from Israeli settlers."

    I feel like this is pretty reasonable. I don't know what's outrageous about this.

    I'm beginning to feel like our problem is that I'm progressive or lefty and you're conservative. In which case all of your concerns about Vaush and Hassan make a lot of sense.

    If you have a specific argument that Vash or Hassan that is counter to progressivism, Marxism, or leftism. I'd be happy to hear it out.

    But otherwise, I know there's hours and hours of YouTubers criticizing both Vaush and Hassan either disingenuously or from an opposing political perspective like fascism. And I don't have the time to go through all of that and debunk every single one.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Let me assure you I am not a conservative and also align with progressive or lefty ideals. Don't mistake criticism of lefty twitch streamers as a convenient reason to box in reasonable discourse.

    Saying Palestinians have a right to self defense is a fine statement. Farming faux outrage day after day by exploiting the suffering of victims of genocide to farm clicks: not so much.

    Let me assure you, Hassan has no interest in seeing an end to any of the ongoing conflicts in the world. This is evidenced by the way he condones and encourages the visceral rhetoric aimed at any party that is seeking reconciliation of any sort.

    Outrage == clicks

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Farming faux outrage

    Ok, here we are back to the sincerity argument. What makes you think he isn't sincere? What is the difference between faux outrage and real outrage. I assume we agree that genocide is something to be outraged about.

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