▲ 607 ▼ How decentralized Bluesky is compared to the Fediverse. (europe.pub) submitted 1 year ago by tfm@europe.pub to c/fediverse@lemmy.world 144 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/45188740 https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/
[+] Kirk@startrek.website 39 points 1 year ago (9 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] tfm@europe.pub [S] 32 points 1 year ago (8 children) I suppose PDS instances are included: https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 32 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 44 points 1 year ago* (5 children) Yes. The relevant metric: 99.55% of posts are on a single instance. That is not "federated" in any meaningful sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) Self-hosting a Bluesky PDS means running your own Personal Data Server that is capable of federating with the wider Bluesky social network. Seems like it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Oh, I misunderstood. So you mean federating with their network from other software implementing the AT Protocol? From skimming the docs it looks like it should be possible as long as you implement the correct schemas, but I didn’t dive very deep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago No it doesn't. If other people on bluesky servers want to see your content then obviously it will go through bluesky servers, but if you connect to a 3rd party relay and use a separate appview like zeppelin.social and use DID:Web for account ID then nothing involving the bluesky servers was used and it still behaves like native permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Yes, very recently Black Sky launched. Much too late to make any difference. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eatham@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago Where is this from? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] tfm@europe.pub [S] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) PDSes only store user data. These are full instances that can be used to browse the network. The idea is to make your account really yours. Bluesky is hosting most of them. But there are some people who do it on their own. But bluesky controls much more important components in the network, namely the Relay and AppView. If Bluesky decides to cut off your PDS you are pretty much alone. Bluesky is pretty much a centralized platform like Twittler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago Zeppelin.social is 3rd party appview and you can host your own https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l A Full-Network Relay for $34 a Month Add using DID:Web and you're now fully self hosted permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] tfm@europe.pub [S] 32 points 1 year ago (8 children) I suppose PDS instances are included: https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 32 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 44 points 1 year ago* (5 children) Yes. The relevant metric: 99.55% of posts are on a single instance. That is not "federated" in any meaningful sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) Self-hosting a Bluesky PDS means running your own Personal Data Server that is capable of federating with the wider Bluesky social network. Seems like it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Oh, I misunderstood. So you mean federating with their network from other software implementing the AT Protocol? From skimming the docs it looks like it should be possible as long as you implement the correct schemas, but I didn’t dive very deep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago No it doesn't. If other people on bluesky servers want to see your content then obviously it will go through bluesky servers, but if you connect to a 3rd party relay and use a separate appview like zeppelin.social and use DID:Web for account ID then nothing involving the bluesky servers was used and it still behaves like native permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Yes, very recently Black Sky launched. Much too late to make any difference. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eatham@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago Where is this from? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] tfm@europe.pub [S] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) PDSes only store user data. These are full instances that can be used to browse the network. The idea is to make your account really yours. Bluesky is hosting most of them. But there are some people who do it on their own. But bluesky controls much more important components in the network, namely the Relay and AppView. If Bluesky decides to cut off your PDS you are pretty much alone. Bluesky is pretty much a centralized platform like Twittler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago Zeppelin.social is 3rd party appview and you can host your own https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l A Full-Network Relay for $34 a Month Add using DID:Web and you're now fully self hosted permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Kirk@startrek.website 32 points 1 year ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 44 points 1 year ago* (5 children) Yes. The relevant metric: 99.55% of posts are on a single instance. That is not "federated" in any meaningful sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) Self-hosting a Bluesky PDS means running your own Personal Data Server that is capable of federating with the wider Bluesky social network. Seems like it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Oh, I misunderstood. So you mean federating with their network from other software implementing the AT Protocol? From skimming the docs it looks like it should be possible as long as you implement the correct schemas, but I didn’t dive very deep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago No it doesn't. If other people on bluesky servers want to see your content then obviously it will go through bluesky servers, but if you connect to a 3rd party relay and use a separate appview like zeppelin.social and use DID:Web for account ID then nothing involving the bluesky servers was used and it still behaves like native permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Yes, very recently Black Sky launched. Much too late to make any difference. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eatham@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago Where is this from? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] tfm@europe.pub [S] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) PDSes only store user data. These are full instances that can be used to browse the network. The idea is to make your account really yours. Bluesky is hosting most of them. But there are some people who do it on their own. But bluesky controls much more important components in the network, namely the Relay and AppView. If Bluesky decides to cut off your PDS you are pretty much alone. Bluesky is pretty much a centralized platform like Twittler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago Zeppelin.social is 3rd party appview and you can host your own https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l A Full-Network Relay for $34 a Month Add using DID:Web and you're now fully self hosted permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 44 points 1 year ago* (5 children) Yes. The relevant metric: 99.55% of posts are on a single instance. That is not "federated" in any meaningful sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) Self-hosting a Bluesky PDS means running your own Personal Data Server that is capable of federating with the wider Bluesky social network. Seems like it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Oh, I misunderstood. So you mean federating with their network from other software implementing the AT Protocol? From skimming the docs it looks like it should be possible as long as you implement the correct schemas, but I didn’t dive very deep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago No it doesn't. If other people on bluesky servers want to see your content then obviously it will go through bluesky servers, but if you connect to a 3rd party relay and use a separate appview like zeppelin.social and use DID:Web for account ID then nothing involving the bluesky servers was used and it still behaves like native permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Yes, very recently Black Sky launched. Much too late to make any difference. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eatham@aussie.zone 1 point 1 year ago Where is this from? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Kirk@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) Self-hosting a Bluesky PDS means running your own Personal Data Server that is capable of federating with the wider Bluesky social network. Seems like it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Oh, I misunderstood. So you mean federating with their network from other software implementing the AT Protocol? From skimming the docs it looks like it should be possible as long as you implement the correct schemas, but I didn’t dive very deep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago No it doesn't. If other people on bluesky servers want to see your content then obviously it will go through bluesky servers, but if you connect to a 3rd party relay and use a separate appview like zeppelin.social and use DID:Web for account ID then nothing involving the bluesky servers was used and it still behaves like native permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Yes, very recently Black Sky launched. Much too late to make any difference. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] f314@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) Self-hosting a Bluesky PDS means running your own Personal Data Server that is capable of federating with the wider Bluesky social network. Seems like it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Oh, I misunderstood. So you mean federating with their network from other software implementing the AT Protocol? From skimming the docs it looks like it should be possible as long as you implement the correct schemas, but I didn’t dive very deep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago No it doesn't. If other people on bluesky servers want to see your content then obviously it will go through bluesky servers, but if you connect to a 3rd party relay and use a separate appview like zeppelin.social and use DID:Web for account ID then nothing involving the bluesky servers was used and it still behaves like native permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] f314@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Oh, I misunderstood. So you mean federating with their network from other software implementing the AT Protocol? From skimming the docs it looks like it should be possible as long as you implement the correct schemas, but I didn’t dive very deep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago No it doesn't. If other people on bluesky servers want to see your content then obviously it will go through bluesky servers, but if you connect to a 3rd party relay and use a separate appview like zeppelin.social and use DID:Web for account ID then nothing involving the bluesky servers was used and it still behaves like native permalink fedilink source parent
[–] f314@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Oh, I misunderstood. So you mean federating with their network from other software implementing the AT Protocol? From skimming the docs it looks like it should be possible as long as you implement the correct schemas, but I didn’t dive very deep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago No it doesn't. If other people on bluesky servers want to see your content then obviously it will go through bluesky servers, but if you connect to a 3rd party relay and use a separate appview like zeppelin.social and use DID:Web for account ID then nothing involving the bluesky servers was used and it still behaves like native permalink fedilink source parent
[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Yes, very recently Black Sky launched. Much too late to make any difference. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tfm@europe.pub [S] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) PDSes only store user data. These are full instances that can be used to browse the network. The idea is to make your account really yours. Bluesky is hosting most of them. But there are some people who do it on their own. But bluesky controls much more important components in the network, namely the Relay and AppView. If Bluesky decides to cut off your PDS you are pretty much alone. Bluesky is pretty much a centralized platform like Twittler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago Zeppelin.social is 3rd party appview and you can host your own https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l A Full-Network Relay for $34 a Month Add using DID:Web and you're now fully self hosted permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago Zeppelin.social is 3rd party appview and you can host your own https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l A Full-Network Relay for $34 a Month Add using DID:Web and you're now fully self hosted permalink fedilink source parent