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[–] -1 points 1 year ago (26 children)

Feels kind of manufactured, honestly. I'm also trying to find evidence that he's a transphobic piece of shit, but it seems like he's pretty good on trans rights.

I think this post is that "sowing division" thing we've heard so much about.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The damage he can inflict is in some ways greater: Republicans attacking us keeps allies on alert, ready to resist. But when Democrats begin to adopt the same rhetoric, that resistance dissolves. Transphobia inside the party is not a treatable wound inflicted by the far right—it is a malignancy, slow-moving but devastating, one that threatens to hollow out decades of progress from within. If it spreads unchecked, it could mark the end of so much our community has fought to preserve.

    The entire article is excellent (as usual from Erin), but that especially gets to the heart of why so many trans people are immediately pumping the brakes on this shit. And why so many Democratic voters are unwilling to even consider that this is a problem that urgently needs to be fixed, before it gets worse.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children)

    He went on Joe Rogan's Charlie Kirk's show and said he doesn't think trans women should be in sports. Solidarity only goes one way for him.

    Edit: the deleted comment under this by Madzielle is the work of a coward. Post for real and stand by your (shitty) opinion. Don't delete it immediately just so it hits my inbox and you suffer no community consequences from it.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    He basically capitulated to the claims that “Democrats supporting trans rights have caused them to lose support”.

    That’s not even me excusing him. It’s pointing out that he’s spineless and caves under pressure, which might be even more important than whether he supports trans rights.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Apparently the climate, the constitution, and every child in Gaza need to die on the hill of trans people in sports.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Which of your rights have you given up for any of those?

    How the fuck is keeping trans people out of sports going to fix any of that? Do you think 4 years after 2028 MAGA and climate change will be gone? Will it bring back any dead kids? After we’ve accepted that trans people can’t be allowed in sports, what rights will we have to sacrifice in the next election? And the next? When is the point where you decide that actually there’s a line Democratic candidates can’t cross when it comes to trans rights, even in a primary?

    Because it feels a whole lot like there is no bridge too far and people are real fuckin mad about trans people pointing that out.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Because it feels a whole lot like there is no bridge too far and people are real fuckin mad about trans people pointing that out.

    Exactly. These people are just mad that the uppity trannies are daring to state the obvious - that if you try to take our rights away, you sure as Hell aren't going to get our votes. This should be incredibly obvious, but some dunces just can't see why this would obviously be the case. They don't actually care about trans people. They're not willing to listen to trans voices. They just want queer votes to win elections, but the queers need to STFU about actual policy.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I have trans family and love and support them. There is a difference between their rights, freedom, and existence, and their sports careers. They themselves do not place their sports career over every other issue that exists, and neither should you.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    I don't give a fuck. If you consider our rights and existence worthy of sacrifice, then I believe you fully deserve whatever evil a Republican president will bring down on your head.

    Hell, you're giving right in to conservative framing. You're sitting here pretending this is about sports. But that never was the issue, and you damn well know it. Conservatives don't give a fuck about women's sports. They just want to banish trans people from public life. And you're fully onboard with that project. Frankly, if we're going to the camps, I hope they burn the whole country to ashes. If Democrats elect a transphobe, I will happily sit the election out, watch Republicans win, and gleefully watch as they tear the country further to pieces. A country that won't protect its minority populations deserves to burn.

    Don't want this? Then try actually earning the votes of queer people. If our numbers are too small to make our rights worth fighting for, then obviously you don't need our votes that badly. You're asking us to believe two things:

    1. Trans rights are minor things that affect few people and aren't worth worrying about.

    2. Trans people simply have to vote for Democrats, as their support is vitally important.

    Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Our rights and our votes go together. You want our votes, you damn well better stand up for our rights. If neither party will stand up for our rights, I'll sit back, disengage from politics, and laugh as this nation collapses into dust.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Do you thinks “sports careers” are the only benefit of sports? Why are you okay with ripping children out of activities with their peers if Republicans decide it’s “controversial”?

    Most trans people know how fraught even visiting a gym is, and how important protections for trans people are to even allow us to exercise the way cis people do. I don’t know any trans people that embrace Newsom’s statements or appearance on Charlie Kirk’s shows, and I highly doubt you do either.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Once again, it’s not like I don’t see and understand the issue. I want kids to be able to participate and compete.

    I simply will not sacrifice all other concerns for this, and make trans sports a litmus test for all candidates.

    People really seem to need me to be a complete transphobic monster for feeling this way. But it’s just a matter of priorities and where the line is drawn. Politics is compromise.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Before you run out of oxygen and collapse, it’s simpler than that. Making trans people in sports a litmus test for any Democratic candidate is a fast track to handing Trump a third term. If we can’t prioritize any better than that, we anre done. And then you can kiss every issue that matters goodbye, including trans people in sports.

    Yes, sweetie, I’m sorry to be the bearer of realism, but we must prioritize. And no, I’m no going over the existential edge for any fucking thing having to do with sports, period. We need to get a grip on the fact that we are hurtling toward extinction. You want to shriek about being able to compete on the team you choose as a do-or-die human right. Just no.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And no, I’m no going over the existential edge for any fucking thing having to do with sports, period.

    For trans rights is what you mean. Trans kids being able to participate on the appropriate team under Title IX isn’t important enough. Just say that instead of pretending it’s about sports. You’re not fooling any trans people.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Fine. THAT trans right is not a redline priority for me. I feel differently about the availability of gender affirming healthcare. Everyone responding to me really, really needs me to be an anti-trans monster, but I’m simply not going to litmus test candidates on the trans sports issue.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You know we can find other candidates to back than Newsom, right?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Fuck Newsom. I never liked him - mostly because he is a mental lightweight. The point is we should not make trans people in sports a litmus test for all candidates.

    “Oh he isn’t on board with trans athletes? Piece of shit! Next!”

    There are in fact more important things to worry about.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    You would have to intentionally try to misrepresent what everyone opposed to Democrats embracing Newsom is saying to come to the conclusion that “Oh he isn’t on board with trans athletes? Piece of shit! Next!” is what anyone is saying. I have certainly been clear the entire time that putting pressure on Newsom to change is the goal.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The point is we should not make trans people in sports a litmus test for all candidates.

    Name a single political jurisdiction that banned trans kids from playing sports and was content with stopping there. Name one.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is a slippery slope fallacy. I say sports isn’t worth throwing every single other concern out the window, and you say ah but it’s not about sports, that’s just how it begins - if we don’t stand up for sports now, tomorrow they’ll be shoveling trans kids into crematoria.

    I won’t engage that faulty line of reasoning.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You don't know what the slippery slope fallacy is.

    The slippery slope is a fallacy when you're just making hypothetical conjectures. I'm discussing the exact and specific numerous states have followed. I'm not speculating; I'm describing history.

    Again, name ONE political jurisdiction that has stopped at sports. You can't because you know it never stops there, and that calling this a "slippery slope fallacy" is just your abominable attempt to cover for genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Are you saying that every jurisdiction that has squabbled over trans people in sports has proceeded to genocide? This slope is more slippery than I thought!

    You’ve tried twice now to get me to disprove a point you won’t even come right out and make. It won’t work. Make your point, if you can, that by failing to support trans people in sports, Gavin will shortly be shoveling trans kids into the ovens, like so many jurisdictions have before him.

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