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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Meanwhile, contrapoints with the most stupid takes imaginable.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You can't just blurt things out like that and not provide examples.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    She made a enlightened centrist post amd talked about how pro Palestine sentiment made Kamela lose.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bigjoel.bsky.social/post/3ltlmfnzors26

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    meh it’s pretty clear right at the top she is talking about the harmful rhetoric and tactics from tankies/accelerationists, not pro-palestinian sentiment itself.

    my trans, poc, and migrant, AND palestinian neighbors in my town are afraid for their lives and families daily, and it really hurt to see tankies tweet “bombala harris” back before november when we KNEW what a trump presidency would mean.

    for my part, i have remained staunchly pro-palestine without ever going down the tankie path. and i too wish that better rhetorical and tactical choices were made by some on the left in the interests of the palestinian plight.

    in another section of this post (this is just a clipping) she defines these rhetorics and tactics and it has to do with creating learned helplessness with no communicated outlet.

    tldr, equating “rhetoric” with “sentiment” as you do in this comment is pretty bad faith and natalie’s post doesn’t read as problematic at all to me.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Haven’t watched contrapoints in a long time, but I used to like the channel for the most part. What are the stupid takes you speak of?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    She made a big long post about Palestine a week or so ago

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    As much as I understand where her concerns come from, she's also an idiot with a powerful habit of overly long and intellectualized responses that only make things worse for herself. The entire way she frames things is "I support everything you want me to, but..." which is a losing way to structure a response to people being frustrated with her. She can't help herself and simply say "I donated to a and b, here's a shout-out, this is horrible, but I also make .75 videos a year max and have something else I'm focusing on."

    I think she likes making trouble and is a prickly person in general. She recognizes that antisemite muslims can potentially abuse leftist anger at Israel, but expects her defeatist attitude to be an effective way to convince people. She just wants to be able to say "I told you so" when some anti Israeli conservatives who hung out with the left do something bad, not get leftists on her side right now.

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 1 year ago

    i don’t see a single conflict between either’s words on international politics? but your comment would be more valuable with examples

    without examples seems like ur just comparing two rly talented female creators for like some reason

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